Why Do Markets at All Time Highs Mean a Crash Is Coming? Don’t Stocks Have to Go Up to Be Worthwhile?

As soon as markets start to go up and stay up for a few months in a row, someone starts predicting that they will crash. And when the TSX and NYSE hit new “record highs” the buzz became almost deafening: Now a MAJOR market meltdown was inevitable–it was just a matter of when. But why? Why do people assume that markets reaching all time highs mean a crash is coming: if the stock market is supposed to return an 8% or higher average, doesn’t it mean it MUST set new records and fairly steadily?

Why Does Anyone Invest in the Stock Market?

Investing for Income

Some people invest in companies listed on the stock markets to get dividends and distributions. Their investment choices are driven by a need for income.

Not all companies offer dividends or distributions though. Why would people buy shares in those companies?

Investing for Capital Gains

Many other people are investing in companies’ stocks to try to win a capital gain. They want to pay $20 for a share and sell it to someone else for $40, or more. They are willing to buy shares that don’t pay anything to investors but which may be worth more in the future than they are now.

Obviously, sometimes these investors are unlucky. The perceived value of the company drops and if they sell their shares they realize a capital loss.

Shouldn’t the Stock Markets Indices, Over Time, Go Up?

If you go to a site like Yahoo Canada finance, or sign in to a brokerage website, you should be able to look at a graph of the S&P TSX Composite Index over several years. Go to https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^GSPTSE&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c= and if necessary click on: Max

It should have jagged peaks up and sharp valleys down, but there should still be an overall trend in an upwards direction. Or at least there should be if you believe that investing in the stock market should yield you a capital gain, over time, if you invest a tiny bit in every company in that market index.

If you look at the last 10 years of the S&P TSX Composite, you will likely notice it spiked up to a nice point at about 14 000 in 2011 and it’s currently (in September 2014) at 15 000 and still climbing. In 2008 it also reached over 15 000. On January 1, 1985 it was under 3 000.

The overall trend from 1985 till now is up.

So why, just because we are finally trading in the 15 000 plus range, are people shouting it’s going to crash?

For people who had all of their money invested before May 2008, and who invested for capital gains not for dividends or distributions, it must seem like the party is just about to start. For years they’ve waited patiently, pocketing any useful distributions and dividends, but biding their time waiting for some big ticket capital gains.

Unless there’s some “invisible ceiling” at just over 15 000 why should anyone be panicking?

Doesn’t Couch Potato Index Investing preach that you don’t try to time the market, you just buy steadily and hang on for the ride? I’ve never read an index investing article that said there is a maximum the market is allowed to rise.

Why I Am Still Investing a Bit a Month Every Month Into the Index Funds Mirroring the Stock Markets

I’m not the usual type of investor. I’m very conservative and very risk averse. So my portfolio stands on a wide, thick platform of fixed income securities. Enough, in fact, to provide a modest retirement income if all of our other investments failed.

Most of our new money, however, is going into the equity markets.

We are still vacillating about whether to invest the majority of it into income-generating investments or into “buy the entire market” index investments.

While we are deciding, we are putting some of our new investment funds into both. It’s wishy washy but it beats having everything sitting in cash.

So every month, we put a bit more into the stock market in the form of “buy the entire market” “ultra low fee” ETFs.

And I don’t see any reason to stop doing that just because the markets are at “all time highs.” If they never pass today’s “all time high” then there is no actual capital gain ever to be made by investing in index funds. A whole branch of the investing industry is mistaken. They will all lose money and never be able to speak on CTV or CBC again.

That seems unlikely to me. Yes, there may be a market pullback or even a radical plummet. But if you believe that capital gains can be made by investing in an index-matching-style then sooner or later, the money you invested in an index should return to parity and should, ultimately, increase in value.

I don’t like the uncertainty. I don’t like wondering if I might be buying just at the time when the rug is about to be pulled and the market will tumble into a trench it will take years to climb back out of. But that’s the uncertainty I have to accept if I want to invest in index-linked products in order to (theoretically) capture some capital gains worth more per dollar invested than my fixed income investments can yield.

Wish me luck!

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Do you index or couch potato invest? Do you have faith that the S&P TSX Composite must eventually keep rising about 15 000 and in fact above 16, 17, 18, 19 and even 20 000? Or are you selling out, buying food and ammo, and building a bunker out of gold bricks? Please share your views with a comment.

PC Financial Offers 3.1% Short-Term Rate to Lure Customers from Tangerine

OK, so on September 1, 2014, Tangerine started offering a rate that works out to 3% annually on new savings deposited between September 1 and September 15. It pays that interest rate until November 30, then it drops back to the usual rate, probably 1.3%. Of course, that encouraged anyone with a large cash balance elsewhere to put it into Tangerine. It didn’t take long before President’s Choice Financial came out with a competitive offer of 3.1% on new savings deposits made between September 3 and September 30: here are the details.

Why Do I Care Whether PC Financial Is Offering an Interest Rate Bonus for 3 Months on Savings?

When Tangerine announced its newest incentive to lure new customers we already had our savings largely in our Tangerine account. That meant our cash savings account money was only going to keep receiving the regular 1.3% interest rate. The Tangerine 3% rate only applies to deposits made which raise the total of your savings above the level they were at on August 31. (You can read the details of what they add up at the Tangerine website.)

So I waited for PC Financial to come out with a competing offer. Then I could simply transfer our cash savings (basically our emergency fund plus a bit for a home project that starts in the New Year) to our President’s Choice savings account.

Crickets chirped.

Sunrise. Sunset. (Cue Fiddler on the Roof.)

It wasn’t till I was reading a thread on RedFlagDeals about the Tangerine promotion that I found out that PC Financial HAD launched a competitive offer. They were NOT advertising it on their website nor by email to their customers; at least, not by September 8, 2014.

Ah ha! But as of today, September 9, the ad is up on the PC Financial website. Anyway….

What Is the PC Financial Bonus Rate Offer?

Well, I’m still trying to get the details in writing.

By telephone, we were told

  • They will add up all of your types of savings with them as of September 5, 2014. This would include your chequing account, savings account, TFSA and RRSP amounts. (It may include other amounts: check the details carefully.)
  • Interest will only be paid on the daily balance that is higher than this amount. (That’s the same rule as Tangerine.)
  • The new money must be deposited by September 30 2014 to qualify. Remember that the date it is deposited is not necessarily the date you make the transfer from another bank or the date you put a cheque into an ABM. It has to be processed and posted to your account before September 30. (That’s the same at Tangerine as well, although there the money has to be in your account by September 15.)
  • You must “enroll” to receive the offer. To do so, you must talk to an agent at their 1 888 723 8881 number (press 0 if you want to skip the tree of choices), by visiting a PCF pavilion or hub and speaking to the agent, or if you get one, by accepting the online banking invitation sent to your email.
  • The higher interest rate, which only applies to the money you deposit above the amount you had in your accounts September 5, applies until December 15, 2014. Any amount equal or below the amount on September 5 just earns the usual interest rate. For savings that’s about 1.3%.

You can now read the complete details at the PC Financial website.

How Did Our Chat with the Agent Go?

Well, once again we hit the “Primary Account Holder” stupidity. Only my husband can ask to have the interest rate promotion applied to our Savings account. I’ve ranted talked about this before: Can you believe my husband would OBJECT if I, the Secondary Account Holder, managed to get us a higher interest rate on our savings without him having to do anything?

The rate did get applied to our account. But I had to phone again to check if it was working because the “confirmation email” we were promised has not arrived yet, as of September 9. (We called on September 7.)

So Off Our Money Goes

So our money is off on another adventure. Wish me luck!

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