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My Child Is Now 15 (Or 16) What Should I Do with My Self-Directed Brokerage RESP?

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Managing an RESP is easy for the first dozen years. You have to make some decisions at the beginning. (Family plan? Individual plan? Bank? Brokerage? 100% safe savings accounts and GICs only? Some risk with equity investing in stocks through ETFs or mutual funds or individual blue chip investments?) After a while, though, you fall into an investment pattern and just stick with it. But as your child (or eldest child) nears the age of starting post-secondary school education, you need to make some decisions again.

First: Move the Money for First Year Into Risk-Free Investments

If your child is going to attend a university and live in residence for their first year after high school, you can estimate that they will need at least $20 000. Programs like Engineering will cost more. Living at home might cost less. But $20 000 is a good starting estimate and it’s likely they will actually need more than that for a university program, unless you live in and they want to attend university in Quebec.

You may have that $20 000 invested in equities. It may be in a mirror-the-stock-market ETF, a mutual fund, or shares in specific companies. If, the week before you need to take it out in cash to pay for residence or fees, the stock market has a sharp pull-back you could be in trouble. A 10% drop in the equity market might drop your $20 000 to $18 000.

Many people who have RESPs with over $20 000 in them could probably delay liquidating the equities in the RESP for a while. They could find the money to pay for residence and tuition in other places, like their emergency fund. But that might not be a great idea: it can take a year or more for the market to rebound. And, of course, there is no “stop limit” that guarantees it will only decline 10%. It could crash like it did in 2008-2009 and take years to claw its way back up.

So if you’re risk averse like I am, you will probably want to get that $20 000 for first year into something risk free before it’s needed. When your child reaches the age of 15 or 16, you may want to put that $20 000 into a cash account or a GIC or term deposit of some kind. I’ll be checking the rates offered by various investments at BMO InvestorLine soon.

Next: Consider WHERE You Want to House Your RESP While Your Child Is Making Withdrawals

According to the CRA information for RESP providers (like banks and brokerages) once your child starts making withdrawals from the RESP, you cannot move the RESP to another institution!

So in the year or so before your child graduates from high school, you should evaluate your RESP provider. Are there fees to make withdrawals from the RESP? What type of paperwork will the provider require to make the withdrawals? Would it be easier to move the entire RESP to another provider with lower fees or less paperwork?

Reading about some of the strange requirements for RESP withdrawals that others have experienced in the past makes me nervous. Soon, I will start looking at the rules at BMO InvestorLine and deciding if they are acceptable. If not, I will need a few months to get the investments transferred elsewhere. So I’ll want to make the decision long before my child is in final year at high school.

Finally: Develop a Strategy for the Next Few Years for the RESP

If you have more than one child, you also may need to plan a strategy for the RESP. When will you liquidate any equity holdings? Will you sell them when a certain profit is achieved? Or will you sell them based purely on the time at which the money may be needed? Will you buy a series of GICs with 5, 4 and 3 year terms, or only use 1-year terms?

How will you make the division of the loot equitable? What if you liquidate the equities for your eldest child when the market is high but when you go to do the same for your youngest child the market has been down for years? Do you “owe” each child the same number of dollars for their education? Will you “hold back” some of the money from the eldest child in case you need it to keep things even for the youngest of several children?

It’s better to develop a strategy before the first child starts using the money. Which means my husband and I have some thinking to do!

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Checking Into Auto Insurance with TD Meloche Monnex for a New Teenaged Driver

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Several of our nieces, nephews and other relatives are approaching that magic age—16—at which they can begin learning to drive legally in Ontario. Hearing the moans and groans of neighbouring parents about car insurance for young drivers, I decided to call TD Meloche Monnex and ask what rates they would charge for a new teenaged driver and when.

What’s the First Level of Driver’s Licence in Ontario?

Ontario uses a graduated licensing program. A new driver learning for the first time usually starts by writing a test on signs and road rules. If they pass with a high enough score they are granted a G1 license. With a G1, a student driver can learn to drive with a licensed, insured driver sitting beside them in the front passenger seat. There are a whole string of other conditions about what times of day they can drive, what roads they can drive on, what amount of alcohol they can have in their blood stream while driving (0!) and so on. Check the MTO website for the current rules and restrictions. They change.

Every driver should, of course, be insured. So I called Monnex to find out what their insurance rules are for new drivers who are the children of insured drivers.

What Does TD Meloche Monnex Charge for the Teenage Child with a G1 of an Insured Driver?

We have our car insurance with TD Meloche Monnex. They’ve been reasonable to deal with and they have a group discount rate for Professional Engineers in Ontario. (PEO members)

So I posed them the theoretical question of: If my child is 16 and passes the written test to get their G1, what do I have to do to insure my child?

I was surprised to learn I just have to phone Monnex and add the child’s name to our policy. There is no annual fee for us to have a child student driver added to our policy! No wonder some parents are not in a rush for their child to take their G2 road test.

What’s the Second Level of Driver’s Licence in Ontario?

After learning to drive, and after practicing for one year, a student driver can take the road test to upgrade their license to the second level. If they pass the test they will be granted a G2.

The student can take the G2 test a bit earlier if they take a Driver’s Education course approved by the Ministry of Transportation of Ontario.

I found it interesting that the government is actually listing driver’s education companies to avoid. They provide a list of “Unlicensed driving schools to avoid.”

What Does TD Meloche Monnex Charge for the Teenage Child with a G2 of an Insured Driver ?

We have our insurance with Monnex. We would want to add our child to our policy when they earn their G2.

Monnex wasn’t keen to quote me a rate yet, since this is years in advance. They did say the rate will depend on many factors. It could be around $1200/year for a driver in the GTA.

I mentioned that the driver would be one of three people in a household with only two licensed vehicles. In that case, the agent said the insurance will be more likely to be in the range of $400-800 per year.

Does TD Meloche Monnex Offer an Insurance Discount for G2 Drivers With Driver’s Education and for How Long?

I asked if our child took driver’s ed from, say, Young Drivers of Canada, would it affect the premium.

The agent said generally having drivers’ education from an approved school would reduce the insurance cost by about 5% a year.

The discount would apply for three years after the driver gets their G2 license.

What’s the Third Level of Driver’s Licence in Ontario?

Most drivers will take an “exit test” a year after getting their G2 license in Ontario. This is another more complicated road test. If they pass it, they are granted a full G class driver’s licence. That’s the usual licence us “old folks” have had for years.

What Happens to Our Child’s Car Insurance Rate Once They Get Their G1 License?

That was so far out in the future that the agent wouldn’t quote me a rate. I’ll have to write about that if and when any of our children grow up enough to get their licence so it will be a few years! If your own child has already reached this stage, please leave a comment with any info about insurance costs. I’m sure other readers will appreciate it!

For now, we have nothing to worry about. Our children aren’t old enough to be a menace on the highways, yet. When they are, however, it looks like we’ll have to add a few more thousand to our annual budget.

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