Update on Transferring RRSP Cash to an ING Direct RRSP Using a T2033 Form

On June 24, I requested a transfer of the cash in my Canada Retirement Savings Plan (RRSP) to my RRSP at ING Direct, now Tangerine.ca. Here’s an update.

To start the transfer, I filled out a T2033 form online at the Tangerine website. As required, I mailed them a signed copy of the form. I popped it into the big red box on June 25. Then I started to wait.

As I mentioned in the post I wrote back in June, ING Direct Tangerine is great at handling this kind of transfer. They even pay interest from the day you apply to move the money, provided they receive it from the other financial institution within 60 days.

Sometime in the last 5 days, the money arrived in my ING Direct Tangerine RRSP.

The Transfer Process to ING Direct Tangerine Works Smoothly but Not Swiftly

As I mentioned above, I requested the cash transfer from one RRSP to the other on June 24 electronically and June 25 by mail. On or about July 21 the money arrived.

So the transfer took between 3-4 weeks depending on when you start counting and when you stop. I expect, for example, that it took up to 5 business days for Canada Post to deliver the original of my T2033 to ING Direct Tangerine.

I’ve made transfers between other financial institutions, including BMO, BMO InvestorLine, ING Direct, the Canada Retirement Savings Plan, CIBC, and CIBC Investor’s Edge in the past. Each of the transfers took at least 3 weeks and some took longer. So this timing was not a surprise.

The ING Direct RRSP Transfer Quirk

One thing did surprise me about the transfer. I’ve been watching my ING RSP Investment Savings Account (RISA) balance a few times a week to see if the money had arrived. When it seemed to have landed, I opened the Account History view to see the details.

To my surprise, instead of listing the Date the money actually arrived, the transaction history lists the date that I requested the transfer. In other words, the event “Deposit Transfer from Other Institution (T2033) is back dated to June 24. Even the bonus interest is back dated to June 30. So I don’t know the exact day the deposit was made.

What’s Next?

Now I suppose I have to start thinking about where to move the money next.

  • CIBC Investor’s Edge? I pay the lowest trading commission there.
  • BMO InvestorLine? They let me hold US stocks in a US sub-account within my RRSP and pay the dividends directly in US dollars.
  • RBC Direct Investing? I haven’t tried them yet but I’m curious about how they work and what benefits they offer. [I’m using them now for a spousal RRSP.]

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.
I would no longer transfer RRSP money to Tangerine unless I planned to keep it there for the long term.

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How to Download Your Transaction History for an ING Direct Bank Account to a Spreadsheet

Many people keep track of their finances using a program like Quicken. Others, like me, who are incredibly cheap, er, frugal use a spreadsheet. Either way, it’s a bit easier and often more accurate to download the info directly from your bank than to type it in line by line. Here’s how you can download what’s been happening in your Tangerine, formerly called ING Direct, bank account.

Copying your Tangerine Bank Account Transaction History Onto Your Computer

To Login to your Tangerine account/s

  1. Go to: http://www.tangerine.ca/en/
  2. Click on I’m a Client, Let Me In!.
  3. Enter your Client Number, banking Card Number or Username in the Log me in box.
    Click on the Go button.
  4. If necessary, in the Your Secret Question: box, type the Answer: to the question.
    Click on the Next button.
  5. If the Your Picture and the Your Phrase fields are correct, if applicable, in the Your PIN box, type your personal identification number.
    Click on the Go button.

To  Download Your Transaction History

  1. Click on the View My Accounts link.
  2. Scroll down to the bottom of that screen.
    Click on the Download Transactions button.
  3. From the drop-down list select the account for which you wish to download the history.
  4. In the Download Information section, select either
    • Get all from last download (which presumably translated from the Dutch-English means “Get all the data since the last download”; or
    • Get all for the following date range:
      If you choose a period, from the drop-down lists select the start date and end date day, month and year.
  5. In the Available Download Formats section, from the drop-down list select
    • QFX Quicken
    • Microsoft Money; or
    • Excel/Other software, CSV

    Yes, just like PC Financial they support downloading to Microsoft Money even though Microsoft no longer supports Money itself.
    CSV means comma separated values. In other words, they will put a comma between each entire number. So the two numbers one hundred thousand and the number ten would be sent as: 100000,10

  6. Click the Next button
  7. Review the information on the screen called Here is the information you selected for Download
    If it looks correct, click on the Download button.
  8. In the SomeName.CSV window, select either
    • Open with; or
    1. If you select Open, you must also select a program from the drop-down list.
    • Save File
    1. Click on the OK button.
    2. If applicable, select where you want to save the file.
    3. Click on the Save button.
  9. When you are finished using Tangerine click on the Log Me Out button.
    For increased security, close your browser session.

In my case the saved file was called Chequing.CSV.

CSV means comma separated text. If you open the file in a spreadsheet it will put one line of data on one line of the spreadsheet. It will put the data after each comma into a new column.

You will likely find some columns are full of ######s when you open your file in a spreadsheet. This is because the information is too large to fit the width of the column. To correct this, hover the mouse over the small vertical line between the Letter Names at the top of the column. Click and holding the mouse key down, drag the line to widen the column.

What is Reported for my Tangerine Transaction History

Cool! The info is different than that reported by PC Financial.

The columns reported are

  • The Date
  • The type of transaction
  • Name; a description of what happened. For example Bill Payment AMEX
  • Memo; another description of what happened
  • Amount; the dollars that moved in or out of the account

The types of Transactions are

The types of Memos showing up for my account include

  • Transferred
    This is used when I transfer money between accounts.
  • BILLPO
    This just means I paid a bill, not that I am P.O.d about it, though it does make me smile to think that might be what they meant. I wonder who programmed that?
  • Cheque Order Fee
    This was 0 because I only ordered the free first cheques. I use PC Financial to get as many free cheques as I need.
  • There may be other codes that were not applicable to me.

How Accurate is the Transaction History Information?

I found the way PC Financial reported my credit card transactions resulted in the numbers being in the wrong column.

The Tangerine information, however, is all lining up properly.

How Risky Is It to Download and Store This Information on my PC?

The file does not include any of my credit card numbers, or the account numbers for businesses I paid bills for online. For example, it does not list my Cable TV account number.

The file did not include any information about my bank account number or my bank balance.

This information, therefore, is not very risky to store on my home computer. However, I would suggest storing it instead on a DVD or USB stick and that storing that somewhere safe. No sense in making it too easy for financial crooks, er, criminals.

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