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How to Buy a GIC in a RBC Direct Investing Online Brokerage Account

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UPDATE: This article is historical, from 2013. I no longer invest with RBC Direct Investing.

We keep some of our hard-earned savings in guaranteed investment certificates. It’s true that right now the interest rates offered for them are abysmal. However, they give us a solid base for our portfolio that won’t evaporate during a market meltdown. We need that sense of security. So when I opened a RRSP account at RBC Direct Investing, I checked out how to buy a GIC in this new brokerage account.

Does RBC Direct Investing Offer a Reasonable Selection of GICs for No Fee?

Yes.

In fact, RBC Direct Investing offers GICs from some of the same financial institutions that offer the best annual rates at BMO InvestorLine. (CIBC Investor’s Edge often does not offer a GIC at the highest rate that you can get from InvestorLine or Direct Investing. They should consider fixing that!) In all, RBC Direct Investing offers GICs sold by about 20 financial institutions.

I also double-checked. I do not have to pay a fee or commission to purchase a GIC from RBC Direct Investing.

Buying a GIC from RBC Direct Investing

  1. Go to the RBC Direct Investing website.
    1. Click on the Sign In button.
    2. In the Client Card Number: field, type your card number.
    3. In the Password: field, type in your password.
    4. Click on the Sign in button.
  2. Click on the Trade tab.
  3. From the list of links across the top of the Trade tabbed page, click on Fixed Income.
    The highest rate for GICs with 1- to 5-year-terms will be shown as a link. The table of links displays the best rate for Compound interest, Annual Interest, Semi-Annual interest, Quarterly interest and Monthly interest.The minimum purchase required for a Registered Account is $3,500.
    The Minimum purchase required for a Non-registered Account depends on the term: It is $20,000 for a 1-year term; but drops to $15,000 for 2; $10,000 for 3, $5,000 for 4, and $3500 for 5 years.You can also perform a search for GICs using the Fixed Income Search table.
  4. I just clicked the interest rate link to select an Annual pay, 1-year term certificate for today’s test.
  5. The Fixed Income Search screen opens.
    To see the best offered interest rate, I clicked on the light grey downward-pointing arrowhead beside Interest Rate in the table of results. When you hover over this arrowhead, the message says “Sort on this column in descending order.”Eeeww. Bug!
    Instead of re-sorting the table, it opened the Fixed Income Search box again with no data selected. It has not even got the GICs radio button selected.Doggedly, I use the browser back button and try again. Same thing happens. And again.
  6. So I decide to fill in the Fixed Income Search box again. So I:
    1. Click to select the radio button for: GICs
    2. From the Type drop-down list, select: Annual
    3. For the Maturity, from the drop-down list, select: 1 yr
    4. And click the Find button.
  7. And it just gets me back where I was with the GICs still not sorted by highest rate to lowest!
    THIS time, though, when I click on the downward arrowhead beside Interest Rate, it sorts the table properly. Interesting!
  8. To check this again,
    I left the Fixed Income screens entirely by clicking on my Home tab.
    Then started over again. I clicked on the Trade tab and etc.
    The bug repeated.It seems it will only allow me to use that downward-pointing arrowhead to sort the table of GICs by rate if I run a customized fixed income search first.I checked that it sorts properly if you do a customized search right from the beginning. To do so, I:

    1. Clicked on the Trade tab.
    2. From the list of links across the top of the screen, clicked on Fixed Income
    3. Instead of picking the highest listed interest rate for the certificate I wanted on the first screen, I completed a Fixed Income Search:
    4. Click to select the radio button for: GICs
    5. From the Type drop-down list, select: Annual
    6. For the Maturity, from the drop-down list, select: 1 yr
    7. And click the Find button.
    8. From the resulting table, I can immediately click to sort by descending interest rate.

Why am I bothering with trying to sort the table by descending interest rate?

  • To avoid missing a higher interest rate when scanning down the table. I could have mistaken or forgotten the highest rate I saw on the first screen.
  • To see which companies are offering the best rate. Often there may be 2 or 3 financial institutions offering the same highest rate. I might prefer one company over another, especially if I am at the CDIC maximum insurable $100,000 limit for one institution but not for another.

So now I finally know from which institution I want to buy my GIC.

To Buy the GIC at RBC Direct Investing

  1. From the Fixed Income Advanced Search Results table sorted by Interest Rate in descending order:
    Click on the linked name of the financial institution offering the GIC.
  2. A “Financial Institution’s Name” Buy screen will open. For example, the screen may be titled: Equitable Trust.
    Review the

    • security type (GIC),
    • payment frequency (annual),
    • maturity date (today’s date plus one year), and
    • Interest Rate (should be the high one you’re looking for)

    If they are all ok,
    Click on the Buy button

    Which was a bit unnerving as I had not entered how large of a certificate to buy!
    Ah. That’s because I’m not done.

  3. Review the info again. Then:
    • From the Account #: drop-down list, select which account to fund the purchase.
      For RRSPs be careful to select the CAD account, not the USD one, if so desired.
    • In the PAR Value of Purchase: field, type the cost of the certificate you want to purchase. For a RRSP account, the minimum purchase is $3500.
    • In the Contact Phone field, type your phone number.

    Click on the Continue button.

  4. If you tried to trick it, like me, it will reply:
    “The minimum Par Value for purchasing a GIC is $3,500. Please see the Fixed Income Order FAQ for more details before trying again.”If you put in the proper amount, it will take you to the Confirm Transaction Step 2 of 3 screen.
    Review the “Important Notice” and the details of your purchase.
    If it all looks ok, click on the Confirm button.
  5. The Transaction Complete Step 3 of 3 screen will be displayed.
    Make note of your Order ID number by writing it down, or by copying the entire order confirmation and terms into a document and saving it.
  6. To check what’s been updated:
    • Click on the My Portfolios tab.
    • Check your Available Funds.
      Interesting. So far it has not removed the $3,500 from my available cash even though it says this is my “available cash as of the time it actually is now.”
    • Under the list of links for the My Portfolios tab, click on the Order Status link.
      There’s the order. All is as expected. The Status Action is “Pending.”
    • So I guess I’ll just have to make a note to not spend that $3,500 while waiting for them to drop my Available balance.
  7. Click on the Sign Out button.
    For added security clear your browser cache and close your browser session.

How Did the Purchase Compare to Buying a GIC at InvestorLine or Investor’s Edge?

BMO InvestorLine automatically sorts its table of GIC offers from the highest to lowest interest rate. That seems sensible. It does mean that the BMO GIC product offerings are not at the top of the list.

Investor’s Edge makes you sort the list of GICs you can buy, like RBC Direct Investing does.

On the possible plus side, RBC Direct Investing lets me buy a smaller GIC in a registered account, with a $3500 minimum versus $5000 at InvestorLine and Investor’s Edge.

It’s easiest to buy a GIC at InvestorLine. It takes more steps at RBC Direct Investing, even if it didn’t have any programming bugs.

It’s most profitable to buy a GIC at InvestorLine or RBC Direct Investing as they offer GICs from financial institutions with better rates than those at Investor’s Edge.

Given that InvestorLine sorts the rates for me and requires fewer screens to make a purchase while still offering the same high rates as RBC Direct Investing, I’d say InvestorLine is slightly better for purchasing GICs.

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Can I Use My TFSA as Collateral for a Quick Loan?

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Sometimes life happens and a person needs a few thousand dollars in a hurry. They may even have that same few thousand saved up in a Tax Free Savings Account but it’s locked up in a GIC that can’t be cashed until it reaches maturity. The question then is: Can I use my TFSA as collateral for a quick loan?

You Can Not Use RRSP Assets as Collateral for a Loan

If you run into financial problems, your bank cannot seize your RRSP assets, at least until you try to withdraw them, to reclaim what you owe them on a loan. Consequently, no legitimate lender will let you use the value of the assets in your RRSP as collateral for a loan.

What Is Collateral?

(This is not a legal definition just an approximate explanation. If you need more details, please talk to a financial expert or lawyer.)

Collateral is something of value that the bank can claim if you default on your loan by not paying it back. For example, if you have a brand new car which is fully paid off, a bank might allow you to list the car as collateral for a small short-term loan. If you don’t pay the loan back in full with the agreed interest by the payable date, the bank can then take your car, sell it, keep the amount needed to redeem the loan and to recover the costs of forcing them to seize your car, etc, then give you the balance of the value.

Banks prefer cash and investment assets as collateral as they are much easier for them to process than physical goods like cars.

You Can Use the Assets in Your TFSA as Collateral for a Loan

Unlike RRSPs, the assets in your TFSA can be pledged as collateral against a loan.

It’s important to remember, though, that the bank does not *have* to allow you to use your TFSA as collateral. It’s up to them. There is no rule that says they must lend you money.

What Type of TFSA Assets Might Be Acceptable As Collateral?

If your TFSA is invested in cash, the bank would probably suggest you just withdraw the cash and use it instead of getting a loan. In most cases, that would be the sensible solution.

If your TFSA is invested in bonds or GICs, the bank would probably allow you to pledge part of the value of those assets as collateral against a loan. They would likely need proof of the terms, principal and interest rates for the assets. You are most likely to be able to get a loan from the same financial institution that holds your TFSA as it would be easiest for them to keep an eye on their collateral and get access to it if you don’t repay your loan.

If your TFSA is invested in individual stocks, mutual funds or ETFs, it gets trickier. The bank would have to decide how risky it thinks those investments are. For example, in mid-November 2008 TD bank shares were worth about $48 each. By mid-December they were down to about $34 each. The institution making the loan knows these types of market drops can occur anytime without warning. Depending on how risky they rate your investments they may or may not accept them as collateral and they are very unlikely to loan you even 90% of the current value of them.

Borrowing Against Your TFSA to Invest in a Non-Registered Account

In his book, How TFSAs Can Make You Rich, Gordon Pape explains that you might be able to use your TFSA as collateral to borrow money which you could then use to invest in a non-registered account.

He also says “you can deduct interest on a loan against a TFSA if the money is used to invest in a non-registered portfolio, say Gena Katz of Ernst & Young Canada and Jamie Golombek of CIBC Private Wealth Management.”

Mr. Pape also points out that many people who borrowed to invest suffered only increased losses, not gains, caused by the crash of 2008-2009. Leverage can increase earnings but it can also cause devastating losses.

For most people and in most situations, I would not recommend borrowing to invest. (Not that you should ever make any investment decision based on my website. Talk to a financial professional for financial advice, not an engineer/tech writer! I’m only trying to share what I’ve learned not tell you what to do.)

In case you don’t already know, you can not deduct interest for a loan used to invest in your TFSA.

Have I Used my TFSA as Collateral?

So far I’ve never needed a short-term loan. I’m hoping I’ll never need to personally test this information.

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