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How to Buy Units in a High Interest Savings Account Fund in a CIBC Investor’s Edge Account

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Recently, I’ve been tidying up our investments in our CIBC Investor’s Edge RRSP account. These included some bond mutual funds that were purchased as part of a self-rebalancing mutual fund investment portfolio about 20 years ago. The actual dollar amounts invested were negligible and the returns of the funds were reasonable on a percentage basis but miniscule in a real dollar way. Instead of keeping this money in risky foreign bond mutual funds, I decided to sell them and temporarily park it in a HISA while I decide where better to invest it. Here’s how to buy units in a daily interest savings account fund, such as ATL5000, in an Investor’s Edge Account.

(This approach is intended for registered accounts where you can’t just shift the money to a conventional high interest savings account at another bank. For example, for TFSAs, RRSPs, RRIFs, LIRAs, RESPs, RDSPs, etc.)

Just How “High” Is the “High Interest” Offered in a HISA Fund?

Don’t get your hopes up.

Today, in October 2013, ATL5000 the Renaissance HISA fund, is paying 1.25% per year. Yep, that’s $12.50 if you invest $1000 for an entire year. Still that would buy me a large dim sum lunch with tax (before tip).
UPDATE: On March 18, 2017 ATL5000 is paying 0.75%.

For more info on ATL5000, you can visit Renaissance’s website.

Buying ATL5000 in an Investor’s Edge Account

  1. Sign On to your Investor’s Edge account.
  2. From the link list on the left side of the screen, click on Trading.
  3. From the link list on the left side of the screen, click on Trade Mutual Funds.

On the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen

  1. Ensure that the Account selected is the correct one for the transaction.
  2. From the Action: section, select
    • Buy; or
    • Buy More of Holdings (if you already have some units of ATL5000 in this account)

    by clicking the radio button beside the appropriate phrase.

If You Are Buying Units of ATL5000 for the First Time

  1. In the Mutual Fund: section,
    click on the Mutual Fund Search link.
  2. In the Keyword box, type ATL5000 and click on the Search button.
  3. Review the details about the Renaissance High Interest Savings Account.
    It states that this is a Front End load fund. It is true that the issuer, Investor’s Edge, is paid a commission. It’s paid by Renaissance, though, not you, so while your interest rate will be lower because of the fee, you will not actually give up any principal to pay.
  4. Click on the Buy link.
    You will return to the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen.

If You Are Buying More Units of ATL5000

  1. In the Mutual Fund: section,
    click on the drop-down list.
  2. You will see all of your mutual funds. Just highlight to select ATL5000.

Continuing Down the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen in Both Instances

  1. If desired, click on the Get Quote button. Because this is a daily interest savings account, the price should always be $1 CAD per unit.
  2. In the Amount: section, type the amount you wish to put into your savings account in dollars, or in units, which is the same thing anyway!
  3. In the Dividend Section, select either
    • Reinvest in Units Of This Mutual Fund; or
    • Deposit Cash To Brokerage Account

    by clicking on the appropriate radio button.

  4. In the Pay From: section, ensure that the correct account is selected.
  5. Click on the Next button.

To have fun, I tested buying an additional $100.
The system replied “The order Amount is less than the minimum allowed value.”
In fact, it wouldn’t let me buy an additional $200, $300, $400, $500, $600, $700, $800, or $900 either. I had to buy $1000 additional units to proceed.

(NOTE: If I had only $40 to add to my HISA, I could have sold 1000 units of the HISA, and once the cash was back in my account, purchased $1040 units. It would cost me a few days of daily interest, but it could be done.)

Finalize the Purchase

  1. Review the purchase details. If they look OK, in the Trading Password field, type your password.
  2. Click on the Submit Order button.
  3. Copy and paste your confirmation including the Order Tracking Number into a document and save it until the transaction is properly reported for your account.
  4. If you are finished with your Investor’s Edge account, click on the Sign Off button.
    For increased security, clear your browser history and cache and close your browser session.

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How to Sell a Mutual Fund in a CIBC Investor’s Edge Account

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When we transferred our RRSP account from CIBC to CIBC Investor’s Edge, we transferred in several mutual fund holdings. These had been bought in the days of the Wealthy Barber, but now in the days of the Wealthy Barber Returns it is time to admit they are not an optimum investment and sell them. Here’s how we sold a mutual fund inside our Investor’s Edge account.

Check for Any Deferred Service Charges or Early Redemption Fees

Any time you consider selling a mutual fund, be sure to check a recent copy of the Fund Facts for the product. Make sure you will not have to pay a fee for the sale.

In particular, many funds have an “early redemption fee.” Basically that means if you sell the fund within a certain number of years after buying it, they will charge you money. The number of years can be up to 7!

If you can’t find the information you need online, call the financial institution that offers the fund and ask. For example, you could phone BMO and ask what the fees are for the BMO TSX Composite mutual fund. The description of the holding on your Account Holdings screen should include the fund’s number which will help the agent know exactly which fund you are asking about.

Investor’s Edge staff will not know whether you have to pay any “early redemption fees” or “deferred service charges.” They are a discount broker (unlike a full service broker) and they do not help you with these types of questions.

We bought our mutual funds before the turn of the century so there were no fees to sell them.

Enter Your Order before the Mutual Fund Daily Trading Deadline

Mutual fund orders must be placed before the cutoff time each day or they will be processed on the next business day.

As of September 2013, orders have to be placed by 3 p.m. Eastern Time.

Some funds may have an earlier cutoff time. If it is critically important to you, phone Investor’s Edge to discuss the cutoff time, or ensure you place the order at the start of the trading day.

Selling a Mutual Fund at Investor’s Edge

  1. Sign In to your Investor’s Edge account.
  2. From the link list on the left side of the page, select Account Holdings.
  3. Review your assets. Decide which mutual fund you wish to sell.

Review the Dividend Information

  1. Click on the Code for the fund of interest. It will open the Fund Centre facts for that holding.
  2. If your fund is about to pay a dividend in the next few days you may want to delay the sale till after the dividend is paid. I know that, in theory, the fund’s NAV should drop when the dividend is issued by the exact same amount. I also know that some mutual funds end up being worth more if you cash them 2 days after the dividend is paid than if you cash them 2 days before the dividend is paid. You’ll have to decide what’s best for your fund and your investments.

Enter the Request to Sell

  1. On the Account Holdings screen, click on the downward pointing arrowhead at the end of the line for the mutual fund you want to sell.
  2. From the list, click on the link: Sell
  3. The Mutual Fund Order Entry screen opens.
    Review the pre-filled fields. Is the information in the

    • Account number and type
    • Action: Sell
    • and Mutual Fund name and code

    fields correct?

  4. If desired, click on Get Quote to see the last day’s price.
    You will not know exactly what you are selling a mutual fund for because the price will be set at the end of today.
  5. In the Amount area select one of:
    • Dollars, and type in the value you want to sell
    • Units, and type in the number of units you want to sell; or
    • Sell All

    Conveniently, it will tell you the approximate value in $ of your holding based on the last day’s price and the number of units you hold.
    I selected Sell All.

  6. For non-registered accounts you may be able to choose where the proceeds of the sale are deposited. For an RRSP account, the only choice is to Pay to: CAD RRSP Account.
  7. Click on the Next button.

Check Your Order and Sign Off

  1. Review the order information on the Verify Order screen.
  2. If it’s correct, in the Trading Password field, type your password.
  3. Click on the Submit Order button.
  4. Make a note of your Order Tracking Number or copy and paste the confirmation into a document and save it.
  5. Click on the View Order Status button.
  6. The Status should be listed as Pending under the Mutual Fund tab.
  7. Click on the Sign Off button.
    For increased security, close your browser session.

When Will I Get My Money?

According to the Investor’s Edge Mutual Fund tutorial:
“The standard settlement period for mutual fund trades is the transaction date plus three business days (T+3). The settlement period for money market funds is the transaction date plus one business day (T+1).”

So I won’t expect to see any money deposited until the third morning after today.

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