How to Order Cheques for a PC Financial No Fee Chequing Account

Ok, first I opened a joint PC Financial chequing account and we funded it by depositing a cheque at a CIBC bank machine. Next I paid a bill from my account online. Our first set of cheques arrived in the mail on the second Tuesday after the Saturday that we opened the account. But I wanted to order another set of paper cheques. First, they only send you 50 cheques initially and we need tons to keep up with our children’s insatiable demand for small amounts of money for activities. Second, I have this terrible fear that PC Financial will suddenly start charging a fee for cheques just because I have finally opened an account. (I have extremely good luck with this kind of thing.) So I decided to try to order a second batch of 50 cheques using their online service. You can also order cheques for your PC Financial no fee account by phoning them at 1-8. Instead, this is what I did.

Ordering Cheques from PC Financial

There are a few changes to these steps. You may want to check the newer article: President’s Choice Financial Is Closing and Becoming Simplii by CIBC So I’m Ordering More Cheques

  1. To sign In to your PC Financial account/s
    1. Go to http://www.pcfinancial.ca/
    2. Make sure Online Banking is selected from the drop down list in the top right corner of the screen, then
    3. Click the Go button.
    4. In the Card Number field, type the number on your debit card.
      Do NOT type your account number. (Weird but true.)
      Do NOT click to select Save Bank Card. This is a terrible idea. Why give someone half the information to break into your account after they steal your computer?!
    5. In the Password field, type the password. (This is your long password, not the shorter one for telephone banking.)
    6. Click on the Sign In button.
  2. From the list across the top of the screen, click on: special requests.
  3. Under the account services section, click on the link called: order cheques.
    The Order Cheques screen will open.
    PC Financial reminds you that you have to change your address at least 24 business hours before you order new cheques. If your address has changed deal with that first. If your address is fine you can continue.
  4. If you have more than one chequing account, in the Order cheques for which account? drop-down list, select the correct account.
  5. To order the free cheques, click on the button called: quick order now.
  6. You’re done!
  7. If so desired, click on the button called: return to account services; or
    If you are not going to do anything else click on the Sign Out button.
    For extra security, close your browser session.

The cheques are ordered and should arrive in 7-10 business days.

PC Financial warns you that you cannot order another batch for at least 10 business days.

To Check on the Status of your Cheque Order with PC Financial

  1. Sign in to your account/s.
  2. From the list across the top of the screen, click on: special requests.
  3. Under the account services section, click on the link called: order cheques.
  4. On the Order Cheques screen, near the top, click on the View your status link.
  5. You will see a reference number and a status.
  6. Click on the Sign Out button and close your browser session.

Interestingly enough, seconds after I ordered my cheques, the status is reported as: complete.

So I guess there isn’t much information provided here, as I certainly don’t have the cheques yet, and I doubt they mailed them seconds after I ordered them. I’ll have to try to remember to check this again (notice the little pun on “cheque”!) to see if it ever includes info like when they were mailed, etc. I suspect it doesn’t.

When Will I Get my Cheques from PC Financial?

When we opened a new account, we received our cheques in the mailbox 7 business days later.

I have just ordered my second set of cheques online and I will report when they arrive. I ordered the cheques on May 2. They arrived Monday, May 13, 2013.

The PC Financial website says that cheques should arrive by mail within 7-10 business days after the order is placed.

I have just ordered another batch on Tuesday, February 25, 2014. They arrived on Monday, March 3. That’s just 3 business days!

What If I Want Really Fancy Cheques from PC Financial?

You may have become so used to spending money to buy cheques that you have an irresistible need to keep paying for them. Or perhaps you really think the recipients of your cheques gasp in astonishment at the amazing works of art underneath your exquisite penmanship. If so, you may be pleased to know there are cheques you can order for your PC Financial account that cost you money and have elaborate graphics. These cheques are actually sold by Davis & Henderson but the money to pay for them will be directly removed from your chequing account.

If you want to order this type of cheque, you can do so from the Order Cheques screen, by clicking on the button called: custom order now.

Because I never want to spend money on cheques again (although I will likely have to) I have not tested what happens once you click on that button. Perhaps someone who has will be kind enough to share their experiences with a comment. For now, be careful about what you are agreeing to spend if you do click.

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Pension Planning: What Happens If My Partner or Spouse Dies Young?

Almost all pension planning articles seem based on the assumption that both partners in a relationship, married or common law, will live to an incredibly old age, happily or not. That’s not reality, however. In fact, according to 52 Ways to Wreck Your Retirement: …And How to Rescue It “the average age for widowhood in Canada is 56.”

56.

I never would have guessed that number and I doubt many others would have either.

For those who lose their partner before 65 this could make a huge difference to their financial future. Instead of two people living together pooling their pensions and resources for many years there will be only one. And perhaps more distressingly, if the person dies young, there may be a number of years lost when it was expected they would boost their RRSP savings and pension earnings. Many people don’t really save significant amounts until they are in their fifties. Most Defined Benefit pensions are calculated based on the number of years of service and the highest earning years: both of which will probably be reduced if a person dies young.

Others may lose their partner almost immediately after retirement. One of our closest relatives was diagnosed with a fatal illness at 64 and was gone by 67. Her husband lived another 11 years without her. While the death of a partner just after retirement may not reduce planned savings or pension entitlements, it can still have a severe impact on the surviving partner’s income.

CPP Is Not Directly Payable to a Surviving Spouse

Many people haven’t given much thought to how CPP works. When they estimate their retirement income, they simply add the expected CPP payment for both spouses. But when one spouse dies, the other is only entitled to CPP Survivor Benefits, not the deceased person’s full CPP payment.

The combined CPP payment to any person is limited to the maximum CPP monthly payment based on the maximum that second person was entitled to when they retired. (The monthly maximum is adjusted frequently but only applies to people who are just beginning to get CPP. For someone already receiving CPP their monthly maximum was set the day they started receiving CPP and is only increased by an inflation adjustment. So the maximum is based on the maximum at the time the second person in the couple retired.)

Imagine a man retires and begins receiving the maximum personal CPP monthly payment. Unfortunately, soon after his wife, who began receiving CPP before him, dies. The husband will not get ANY additional CPP! There is a death benefit of up to $2500 to help defray some of the costs of the funeral but that is all. And that benefit is fully taxable as income to the recipient or to the estate, so in reality it may be worth $2000 or less after tax.

In another case, imagine a woman retires and begins receiving one third of the maximum CPP monthly payment. Her husband retires after her and receives the maximum CPP monthly payment. If he dies, she will begin to receive at MOST the maximum CPP monthly payment only. She will not receive his maximum plus her one third. She will receive 60% of his payment plus her payment, up to a maximum of his maximum CPP monthly payment. Her CPP income will likely only be about 75% or less of what their joint CPP income used to be.

The Toronto Star recently reported on this issue. In their article they interviewed a man who was surprised to discover that when his wife died, his own CPP payment only increased by $22.75, even though his wife’s CPP monthly payment had been $1053.

For CPP planning, it’s probably best to estimate your survivor benefits as conservatively as possible. In general, you should assume you would only receive 60% of what your partner was receiving, added to your own CPP payment, but capped at a maximum value of 100% of what your maximum monthly CPP payment is or will be. If that’s too complicated, assume you will get nothing from CPP if your spouse dies. It’s better to plan on receiving too little money than too much.

Defined Benefit Pension Plan Benefits May Also Be Lost

Most defined benefit pension plans also limit the amount paid to a surviving spouse or partner. A common amount is 60% of the original payment. However the actual amount can range from 0 to 100%.

The only way to know what you might receive from your partner’s DB pension is to look it up. In fact, you may even have to check it annually as the terms of the plan may change from year to year.

I know when a friend took early retirement, not really be choice, the friend was asked to choose what percentage of their pension would go to their spouse if they died. If they chose 60%, the monthly amount they would receive before death would be significantly lower than if they chose 0%. This friend was then left trying to decide who was more likely to die first! That’s a terrible decision to have to make and a dangerous one as many of us don’t have any way of knowing what the future holds.

Defined Contribution Pension Plan Benefits Vary for Survivors

Defined contribution pension plans have varying rules if a person dies before retirement. Some simply turn over the entire account to the surviving spouse as a locked-in RRSP-type of investment. Others give the survivor 60% of the value of the plan. There is no “one” answer. Again, you would have to check the rules for the specific plan your partner or spouse is enrolled in.

DC pensions also have different rules for what happens if a person dies after they retire. You will have to check these rules with whomever administers the plan. Some DC pensions, for instance, are used to buy an annuity type of product when the person retires. The terms of the annuity may include a guaranteed minimum number of payments with the beneficiary getting any payments the pensioner does not receive; other annuities give a percentage of the monthly payment to a survivor; others give nothing after the pensioner dies.

The Rules for Survivors of Group RRSP Pension Earners Also Vary

As with DC pensions, group RRSP pensions have different rules depending on the company setting up and administering the plan. You have to check the terms of your pension or your spouse’s pension with the administrators. Don’t assume you will automatically inherit the same pension funds or pension payments as the pensioner received!

Checking Survivor Pension Entitlements is a Key Step in Pension Planning

The frequent use of the words “may, possible, probably, often” and so on in this article should point out clearly that there is no standard answer for what pension you will receive if your spouse or partner dies. It’s critical for proper pension planning to check the details of the specific pension plans your partner participates in.

You can review the CPP rules at Survivor Benefits, and Canada Pension Plan Survivor Benefits.

The conclusion of your review may very well be that you should not rely on receiving much or anything from your partner’s pensions if he or she dies first. If you don’t think you can survive on only your own pensions and savings, it may be time to try to improve the value of those.

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