Who Pays the Income Taxes on the Interest and How Can My Children Cash Their Canada Savings Bonds?

My children have some Canada Premium Savings Bonds that were given to them when they were very young. Some of the bonds matured last month, so it’s past time to get the money out. Which left me with the question: how can my kids cash out their Canada Savings Bonds?

Who Pays Tax on the Interest Earned by CSBs, the Giver Or the Child?

I’d better clarify the income tax issues caused by the gift of bonds.

First of all, income tax has to be paid on the interest the bonds earn each year even if the income is not received until the bonds mature.

Second, if your children are given bonds by their

  • parents
  • grandparents
  • aunts
  • uncles
  • or other non-arms length relative

even if they do *not* live in the same household
then the person who gave the children the bonds has to pay the income tax each year on the interest earned the previous year.

What If the Child Didn’t Get a T5 for the Interest?

T5’s are issued only when the interest earned is more than $50 for a year.
That does *not* mean no tax is owed if there is no T5!

You can phone the Canada Savings Bond office at any time and ask what the interest earned the previous year was. You will need to know the name of the bond holder and their SIN, or they can help you with the calculation if you know the series number of the bonds and the face values. The CSB office can be reached at 1 800 575 5151.

Who Pays the Tax After the Bonds Have Matured?

If your child is 18 or older, they can start to declare the annual interest on their own income tax form in April. They will have to pay tax on the interest if they have a high income. Most teens don’t and will not have to pay any tax.

After the Bond Matures and Is Cashed Out Who Pays the Tax on Re-investing the Money?

It’s trickier if your child is still under 18 at the time the bond matures.

Any new interest earned by the principal (the face value of the bond) when it is re-invested must be declared on an income tax return by the person who gave the bond to the child.

But interest (or other income) can also be earned on the interest already paid on the bond. Any interest earned on the original interest is, in theory, taxed in the hands of the child. The minor would have to file an income tax report in April and report the interest (or other income). Because the minor likely has no or little other income, the child would not usually have to actually pay tax on that interest (or other income.)

How does one know which interest is which? Well, you’d better keep very careful, very accurate records, because the government can demand to see them. Like all tax records, you’d have to keep the information for about 7 years.

For simplicity, often the original giver or the parent just keeps reporting all of the income until the child turns 18.

I would like to get some clearer information on how this income attribution works before I change how we file our taxes.

How Can My Children Cash Their Canada Savings Bonds? Can The Bank Place a Hold on the Money?

In the meantime, we need to get the matured Premium bonds cashed as they are not earning anything anymore.

Before heading to the bank, I called the Canada Savings Bond office to clarify the rules.

I already knew from their website that if the child is too young to cash the bonds by signing, the parent, with proof of guardianship, can cash them on the child’s behalf. You’d need proof that the child is the person named on the bond and proof of your relationship to the child.

(This is one example of where a “bricks and mortar” bank can be handy: at our bank, they’ve seen our children banking with me for a very long time. The kids even get special treats on some holidays from the tellers. There’s much less suspicion when we try to prove our relationship after they’ve watched the same child for years interrupting and pulling on your sleeve saying “Mummy, mummy, mummy!”)

I phoned, though, to clarify whether the bank is allowed to put a hold on the money after the bond is cashed.

Somewhat to my surprise, yes, they are. Apparently there have been instances where people have reported a bond certificate as lost and cashed it, then found the bond certificate and tried to cash it again. So the bank is within its rights to require you to deposit the money from the matured bond and to place a hold on that money until the bond clears.

A Reminder to Parents to Teach Their Children Cursive

As we head off to the bank, I’d just like to remind parents that despite the new curriculum in many jurisdictions, it’s worth your child learning some cursive. Banks still expect a signature on monetary documents. The sooner your children can learn to make the same scrawl the same way for their name, the easier they will find banking.

At least until they start scanning our retinas.

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How to Buy a GIC in a RBC Direct Investing Online Brokerage Account

UPDATE: This article is historical, from 2013. I no longer invest with RBC Direct Investing.

We keep some of our hard-earned savings in guaranteed investment certificates. It’s true that right now the interest rates offered for them are abysmal. However, they give us a solid base for our portfolio that won’t evaporate during a market meltdown. We need that sense of security. So when I opened a RRSP account at RBC Direct Investing, I checked out how to buy a GIC in this new brokerage account.

Does RBC Direct Investing Offer a Reasonable Selection of GICs for No Fee?

Yes.

In fact, RBC Direct Investing offers GICs from some of the same financial institutions that offer the best annual rates at BMO InvestorLine. (CIBC Investor’s Edge often does not offer a GIC at the highest rate that you can get from InvestorLine or Direct Investing. They should consider fixing that!) In all, RBC Direct Investing offers GICs sold by about 20 financial institutions.

I also double-checked. I do not have to pay a fee or commission to purchase a GIC from RBC Direct Investing.

Buying a GIC from RBC Direct Investing

  1. Go to the RBC Direct Investing website.
    1. Click on the Sign In button.
    2. In the Client Card Number: field, type your card number.
    3. In the Password: field, type in your password.
    4. Click on the Sign in button.
  2. Click on the Trade tab.
  3. From the list of links across the top of the Trade tabbed page, click on Fixed Income.
    The highest rate for GICs with 1- to 5-year-terms will be shown as a link. The table of links displays the best rate for Compound interest, Annual Interest, Semi-Annual interest, Quarterly interest and Monthly interest.The minimum purchase required for a Registered Account is $3,500.
    The Minimum purchase required for a Non-registered Account depends on the term: It is $20,000 for a 1-year term; but drops to $15,000 for 2; $10,000 for 3, $5,000 for 4, and $3500 for 5 years.You can also perform a search for GICs using the Fixed Income Search table.
  4. I just clicked the interest rate link to select an Annual pay, 1-year term certificate for today’s test.
  5. The Fixed Income Search screen opens.
    To see the best offered interest rate, I clicked on the light grey downward-pointing arrowhead beside Interest Rate in the table of results. When you hover over this arrowhead, the message says “Sort on this column in descending order.”Eeeww. Bug!
    Instead of re-sorting the table, it opened the Fixed Income Search box again with no data selected. It has not even got the GICs radio button selected.Doggedly, I use the browser back button and try again. Same thing happens. And again.
  6. So I decide to fill in the Fixed Income Search box again. So I:
    1. Click to select the radio button for: GICs
    2. From the Type drop-down list, select: Annual
    3. For the Maturity, from the drop-down list, select: 1 yr
    4. And click the Find button.
  7. And it just gets me back where I was with the GICs still not sorted by highest rate to lowest!
    THIS time, though, when I click on the downward arrowhead beside Interest Rate, it sorts the table properly. Interesting!
  8. To check this again,
    I left the Fixed Income screens entirely by clicking on my Home tab.
    Then started over again. I clicked on the Trade tab and etc.
    The bug repeated.It seems it will only allow me to use that downward-pointing arrowhead to sort the table of GICs by rate if I run a customized fixed income search first.I checked that it sorts properly if you do a customized search right from the beginning. To do so, I:

    1. Clicked on the Trade tab.
    2. From the list of links across the top of the screen, clicked on Fixed Income
    3. Instead of picking the highest listed interest rate for the certificate I wanted on the first screen, I completed a Fixed Income Search:
    4. Click to select the radio button for: GICs
    5. From the Type drop-down list, select: Annual
    6. For the Maturity, from the drop-down list, select: 1 yr
    7. And click the Find button.
    8. From the resulting table, I can immediately click to sort by descending interest rate.

Why am I bothering with trying to sort the table by descending interest rate?

  • To avoid missing a higher interest rate when scanning down the table. I could have mistaken or forgotten the highest rate I saw on the first screen.
  • To see which companies are offering the best rate. Often there may be 2 or 3 financial institutions offering the same highest rate. I might prefer one company over another, especially if I am at the CDIC maximum insurable $100,000 limit for one institution but not for another.

So now I finally know from which institution I want to buy my GIC.

To Buy the GIC at RBC Direct Investing

  1. From the Fixed Income Advanced Search Results table sorted by Interest Rate in descending order:
    Click on the linked name of the financial institution offering the GIC.
  2. A “Financial Institution’s Name” Buy screen will open. For example, the screen may be titled: Equitable Trust.
    Review the

    • security type (GIC),
    • payment frequency (annual),
    • maturity date (today’s date plus one year), and
    • Interest Rate (should be the high one you’re looking for)

    If they are all ok,
    Click on the Buy button

    Which was a bit unnerving as I had not entered how large of a certificate to buy!
    Ah. That’s because I’m not done.

  3. Review the info again. Then:
    • From the Account #: drop-down list, select which account to fund the purchase.
      For RRSPs be careful to select the CAD account, not the USD one, if so desired.
    • In the PAR Value of Purchase: field, type the cost of the certificate you want to purchase. For a RRSP account, the minimum purchase is $3500.
    • In the Contact Phone field, type your phone number.

    Click on the Continue button.

  4. If you tried to trick it, like me, it will reply:
    “The minimum Par Value for purchasing a GIC is $3,500. Please see the Fixed Income Order FAQ for more details before trying again.”If you put in the proper amount, it will take you to the Confirm Transaction Step 2 of 3 screen.
    Review the “Important Notice” and the details of your purchase.
    If it all looks ok, click on the Confirm button.
  5. The Transaction Complete Step 3 of 3 screen will be displayed.
    Make note of your Order ID number by writing it down, or by copying the entire order confirmation and terms into a document and saving it.
  6. To check what’s been updated:
    • Click on the My Portfolios tab.
    • Check your Available Funds.
      Interesting. So far it has not removed the $3,500 from my available cash even though it says this is my “available cash as of the time it actually is now.”
    • Under the list of links for the My Portfolios tab, click on the Order Status link.
      There’s the order. All is as expected. The Status Action is “Pending.”
    • So I guess I’ll just have to make a note to not spend that $3,500 while waiting for them to drop my Available balance.
  7. Click on the Sign Out button.
    For added security clear your browser cache and close your browser session.

How Did the Purchase Compare to Buying a GIC at InvestorLine or Investor’s Edge?

BMO InvestorLine automatically sorts its table of GIC offers from the highest to lowest interest rate. That seems sensible. It does mean that the BMO GIC product offerings are not at the top of the list.

Investor’s Edge makes you sort the list of GICs you can buy, like RBC Direct Investing does.

On the possible plus side, RBC Direct Investing lets me buy a smaller GIC in a registered account, with a $3500 minimum versus $5000 at InvestorLine and Investor’s Edge.

It’s easiest to buy a GIC at InvestorLine. It takes more steps at RBC Direct Investing, even if it didn’t have any programming bugs.

It’s most profitable to buy a GIC at InvestorLine or RBC Direct Investing as they offer GICs from financial institutions with better rates than those at Investor’s Edge.

Given that InvestorLine sorts the rates for me and requires fewer screens to make a purchase while still offering the same high rates as RBC Direct Investing, I’d say InvestorLine is slightly better for purchasing GICs.

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