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How to Buy Units in a High Interest Savings Account Fund in a CIBC Investor’s Edge Account

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Recently, I’ve been tidying up our investments in our CIBC Investor’s Edge RRSP account. These included some bond mutual funds that were purchased as part of a self-rebalancing mutual fund investment portfolio about 20 years ago. The actual dollar amounts invested were negligible and the returns of the funds were reasonable on a percentage basis but miniscule in a real dollar way. Instead of keeping this money in risky foreign bond mutual funds, I decided to sell them and temporarily park it in a HISA while I decide where better to invest it. Here’s how to buy units in a daily interest savings account fund, such as ATL5000, in an Investor’s Edge Account.

(This approach is intended for registered accounts where you can’t just shift the money to a conventional high interest savings account at another bank. For example, for TFSAs, RRSPs, RRIFs, LIRAs, RESPs, RDSPs, etc.)

Just How “High” Is the “High Interest” Offered in a HISA Fund?

Don’t get your hopes up.

Today, in October 2013, ATL5000 the Renaissance HISA fund, is paying 1.25% per year. Yep, that’s $12.50 if you invest $1000 for an entire year. Still that would buy me a large dim sum lunch with tax (before tip).
UPDATE: On March 18, 2017 ATL5000 is paying 0.75%.

For more info on ATL5000, you can visit Renaissance’s website.

Buying ATL5000 in an Investor’s Edge Account

  1. Sign On to your Investor’s Edge account.
  2. From the link list on the left side of the screen, click on Trading.
  3. From the link list on the left side of the screen, click on Trade Mutual Funds.

On the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen

  1. Ensure that the Account selected is the correct one for the transaction.
  2. From the Action: section, select
    • Buy; or
    • Buy More of Holdings (if you already have some units of ATL5000 in this account)

    by clicking the radio button beside the appropriate phrase.

If You Are Buying Units of ATL5000 for the First Time

  1. In the Mutual Fund: section,
    click on the Mutual Fund Search link.
  2. In the Keyword box, type ATL5000 and click on the Search button.
  3. Review the details about the Renaissance High Interest Savings Account.
    It states that this is a Front End load fund. It is true that the issuer, Investor’s Edge, is paid a commission. It’s paid by Renaissance, though, not you, so while your interest rate will be lower because of the fee, you will not actually give up any principal to pay.
  4. Click on the Buy link.
    You will return to the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen.

If You Are Buying More Units of ATL5000

  1. In the Mutual Fund: section,
    click on the drop-down list.
  2. You will see all of your mutual funds. Just highlight to select ATL5000.

Continuing Down the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen in Both Instances

  1. If desired, click on the Get Quote button. Because this is a daily interest savings account, the price should always be $1 CAD per unit.
  2. In the Amount: section, type the amount you wish to put into your savings account in dollars, or in units, which is the same thing anyway!
  3. In the Dividend Section, select either
    • Reinvest in Units Of This Mutual Fund; or
    • Deposit Cash To Brokerage Account

    by clicking on the appropriate radio button.

  4. In the Pay From: section, ensure that the correct account is selected.
  5. Click on the Next button.

To have fun, I tested buying an additional $100.
The system replied “The order Amount is less than the minimum allowed value.”
In fact, it wouldn’t let me buy an additional $200, $300, $400, $500, $600, $700, $800, or $900 either. I had to buy $1000 additional units to proceed.

(NOTE: If I had only $40 to add to my HISA, I could have sold 1000 units of the HISA, and once the cash was back in my account, purchased $1040 units. It would cost me a few days of daily interest, but it could be done.)

Finalize the Purchase

  1. Review the purchase details. If they look OK, in the Trading Password field, type your password.
  2. Click on the Submit Order button.
  3. Copy and paste your confirmation including the Order Tracking Number into a document and save it until the transaction is properly reported for your account.
  4. If you are finished with your Investor’s Edge account, click on the Sign Off button.
    For increased security, clear your browser history and cache and close your browser session.

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How Fast Can I Sell my BMO InvestorLine AAT770 HISA to Generate Cash to Re-invest?

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I recently bought some of the BMO AAT770 CAD High Interest Savings Account fund within my BMO InvestorLine RRSP. I wanted to test how to make the purchase, and to double check for any quirks or fees (although there shouldn’t be any.) Next, I want to test how quickly the cash comes back into my account if I sell my AAT770 so I can re-invest the money in a stock, ETF, mutual fund or GIC. I’ll give you the good news first, then provide the step-by-step instructions for making the sale.

How Long Did It Take for the Cash to Appear in my BMO InvestorLine RRSP Account After I Sold the HISA Fund Units?

Well so far I don’t know! I’m watching my transaction history to find out. Ok, I’m back. Here’s what happened:

  • On April 11, I bought $5000 worth of AAT770.
  • On April 12, the sale settled.
  • On April 16, I placed an order to sell all $5000 worth of AAT770.
  • On April 17, in the Trading tab, Order Status selection, the order to sell is reported as Filled and sold, but in the My Holdings tab, the cash balance has not increased and the holding of 5000 units of AAT770 is still listed.
  • Now, on April 18, at 8 a.m. all $5000 is back in the cash account in my RRSP. In the My Holdings tab, the cash balance has increased by $5000.87 and the listing for AAT770 has disappeared.
  • The deposit of the $5000 investment was back-dated to April 16. You can see the date they claim it was deposited in the Transaction History, but it is back dated.
  • The deposit of the interest of 0.87 was back-dated to April 17. Again you can see this in the My Holdings tab, under Transaction History.

As I said, the money was actually in the account ready to spend on the morning of April 18. So it took the day I placed the trade plus two days for the cash to appear in my account. It appears, though, that the trade settled in the trade day plus one day. So in theory, you could place an order to buy a GIC or mutual fund one day after the day you placed an order to sell your HISA and it would be fine. Given that stocks take even longer to reach the settlement date, you should be able to place an order to purchase a stock on the same day that you issue the order to sell your HISA. I’m a bit leery of all the warnings InvestorLine placed around a possible delay in settling the sale of the HISA fund. I would probably wait for the cash to appear before purchasing anything, just in case. NOTE: all of the days were business days when InvestorLine was up and open for trades. I’m sure it would have been slower if there was a weekend in the middle.

Did I Read / Write that Correctly? InvestorLine Paid Interest on a 7-Day HISA Deposit?!

Yes, much to my pleasant surprise, I actually received $0.87 interest for the time my $5000 was deposited in the AAT770 HISA fund. I did not expect this, as the terms state that interest is calculated daily and paid monthly and it was not month end. Good on InvestorLine and BMO!

How to Sell Units of AAT770 in a BMO InvestorLine Account

  1. First sign in to BMO Investorline.
  2. From the drop-down list, select the account which is holding your AAT770 units. For example, I selected my RRSP account.
  3. Under the My Portfolio tab, review your holdings of the HISA fund.

If you are ready to sell

  1. Click on the AAT770 symbol.
  2. Or from the Trading menu select Mutual Funds.
  3. Either way opens the Mutual Fund Order Entry screen. Remember the cutoff time for selling a mutual fund today is 2 p.m. ET. If you enter the order after that time, it will take another entire business day to be executed. I’m choosing to place my sell order at 10:20 A.M. ET.
  4. From the Action drop-down list select Sell.
  5. In the Fund Symbol field, type AAT770 if you are selling units of the Canadian dollar high interest savings account.
  6. Click on the Recent Closing Price button to
    • Confirm you entered the symbol for the units you want to sell
    • Confirm it still says No Load
  7. In the Amount field, select either All or type in the amount of dollars or units you want to redeem. If applicable, select Dollars or Units from the drop-down list. I selected All. (Well, actually I first tested it by trying to sell $1000 worth, to see if it would let me go below the $5000 minimum holding. The program responded: “Your order was not processed. The following problem is associated with your order: Warning: This transaction will reduce your fund holdings below the required minimum amount. Please adjust or Sell/Switch all.” Rats!)
    UPDATE: As of 2017 10 03 you can hold a minimum balance of $1 000.
  8. In the Contact Phone # field, type your telephone number.
  9. Click on the Review Order button.

Very interesting! I have not actually entered my trading password yet, so the message is not completely accurate. The program responded:

Your order was not processed. The following problem is associated with your order: You may continue with your order or may choose to change/cancel the order. Warning: This order requires manual processing and may be delayed.

I decided to accept the warning and continue. I clicked on the Accept All Warnings button. [UPDATE: In more recent sales of this fund I no longer receive this warning message.]

The Mutual Fund Order Review screen opens. It repeats at the top of the screen:

If submitted, you are accepting the following warnings: Warning: This order requires manual processing and may be delayed. [UPDATE: In more recent sales of this fund I no longer receive this warning message.]

  1. Review the order details.
  2. If they are acceptable: Type your trading password in the “Please enter your password in order to submit your order” field.
  3. Click on the Submit Order button.
  4. Copy the Mutual Fund Order Confirmation into a document and save it for reference. The Order Reference number will be needed if you have to follow-up with InvestorLine. Again, it states that I have accepted the warning that the order requires manual processing and may be delayed. [UPDATE: In more recent sales of this fund I no longer receive this warning message.]

If desired, under the Trading tab, select Order Status. You should see the details of your sell request order for the HISA fund. The current status is Submitted. Related Reading

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