How to Buy Units in a High Interest Savings Account Fund in a CIBC Investor’s Edge Account

Recently, I’ve been tidying up our investments in our CIBC Investor’s Edge RRSP account. These included some bond mutual funds that were purchased as part of a self-rebalancing mutual fund investment portfolio about 20 years ago. The actual dollar amounts invested were negligible and the returns of the funds were reasonable on a percentage basis but miniscule in a real dollar way. Instead of keeping this money in risky foreign bond mutual funds, I decided to sell them and temporarily park it in a HISA while I decide where better to invest it. Here’s how to buy units in a daily interest savings account fund, such as ATL5000, in an Investor’s Edge Account.

(This approach is intended for registered accounts where you can’t just shift the money to a conventional high interest savings account at another bank. For example, for TFSAs, RRSPs, RRIFs, LIRAs, RESPs, RDSPs, etc.)

Just How “High” Is the “High Interest” Offered in a HISA Fund?

Don’t get your hopes up.

Today, in October 2013, ATL5000 the Renaissance HISA fund, is paying 1.25% per year. Yep, that’s $12.50 if you invest $1000 for an entire year. Still that would buy me a large dim sum lunch with tax (before tip).
UPDATE: On March 18, 2017 ATL5000 is paying 0.75%.

For more info on ATL5000, you can visit Renaissance’s website.

Buying ATL5000 in an Investor’s Edge Account

  1. Sign On to your Investor’s Edge account.
  2. From the link list on the left side of the screen, click on Trading.
  3. From the link list on the left side of the screen, click on Trade Mutual Funds.

On the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen

  1. Ensure that the Account selected is the correct one for the transaction.
  2. From the Action: section, select
    • Buy; or
    • Buy More of Holdings (if you already have some units of ATL5000 in this account)

    by clicking the radio button beside the appropriate phrase.

If You Are Buying Units of ATL5000 for the First Time

  1. In the Mutual Fund: section,
    click on the Mutual Fund Search link.
  2. In the Keyword box, type ATL5000 and click on the Search button.
  3. Review the details about the Renaissance High Interest Savings Account.
    It states that this is a Front End load fund. It is true that the issuer, Investor’s Edge, is paid a commission. It’s paid by Renaissance, though, not you, so while your interest rate will be lower because of the fee, you will not actually give up any principal to pay.
  4. Click on the Buy link.
    You will return to the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen.

If You Are Buying More Units of ATL5000

  1. In the Mutual Fund: section,
    click on the drop-down list.
  2. You will see all of your mutual funds. Just highlight to select ATL5000.

Continuing Down the Mutual Fund Order Entry Screen in Both Instances

  1. If desired, click on the Get Quote button. Because this is a daily interest savings account, the price should always be $1 CAD per unit.
  2. In the Amount: section, type the amount you wish to put into your savings account in dollars, or in units, which is the same thing anyway!
  3. In the Dividend Section, select either
    • Reinvest in Units Of This Mutual Fund; or
    • Deposit Cash To Brokerage Account

    by clicking on the appropriate radio button.

  4. In the Pay From: section, ensure that the correct account is selected.
  5. Click on the Next button.

To have fun, I tested buying an additional $100.
The system replied “The order Amount is less than the minimum allowed value.”
In fact, it wouldn’t let me buy an additional $200, $300, $400, $500, $600, $700, $800, or $900 either. I had to buy $1000 additional units to proceed.

(NOTE: If I had only $40 to add to my HISA, I could have sold 1000 units of the HISA, and once the cash was back in my account, purchased $1040 units. It would cost me a few days of daily interest, but it could be done.)

Finalize the Purchase

  1. Review the purchase details. If they look OK, in the Trading Password field, type your password.
  2. Click on the Submit Order button.
  3. Copy and paste your confirmation including the Order Tracking Number into a document and save it until the transaction is properly reported for your account.
  4. If you are finished with your Investor’s Edge account, click on the Sign Off button.
    For increased security, clear your browser history and cache and close your browser session.

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Testing a Sell (and Buy) of AAT770 in a BMO InvestorLine Account: Part Two, the Sell

When last I tested a sale of units in the BMO high interest savings account fund, AAT770, I was greeted with several ominous warning messages. They said that the sale could be delayed. It’s been a few months and I wondered if things had calmed down any. So as soon as my recent purchase of AAT770 had settled, I tested the system with a sale of some of the units.

Tracking a Request to Sell AAT770 from InvestorLine

Following my own instructions on how to sell AAT770, I placed a Sell order on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 before noon. (Remember mutual fund orders usually have to be placed before 2 p.m. to go through that day.)

Immediately, when I select Order Status from the Trading Tab, I am provided with the following information:

  • the original order number
  • the symbol: AAT770
  • a description: BMO High Int Sving Account(BIL)
  • the order type: Sell
  • the original order quantity: $5,000
  • the outstanding quantity: blank
  • the entry date mm/dd: 07/10 (Good thing they clarify which one is the month)
  • the expiry date mm/dd: blank
  • the average fill price: blank
  • the status: submitted

The word submitted is a link but if I click it what opens is a definition of the term.

The original order number is also a link. If I click it the Order Status Details screen opens.

That screen has the following information already (minutes after I placed the order.)

  • Original Order Number
  • Symbol: AAT770
  • Fund Name: BMO High Int Svng Account(BIL)
  • Reference Number: this is the same number as the original order number
  • Order Type: Sell
  • Order Quantity/value: $5,000
  • Load Type: No Load
  • Most Recent Closing Price: $1.00
  • Dividend Option: Reinvest
  • Settlement Funds: CAD
  • Status: Submitted (same link to the definition)
  • Activity Date/Time: 2013-07-10 10:17

And an informational note:
“This order cannot be changed or cancelled for the following reason:
•  Mutual Fund and/or Fixed Income orders cannot be changed or cancelled online.”

My account balance is also shown in a small box in the upper right side of the screen. At this point it still shows a Cash Balance that does not include the amount I have just sold.

If I click on the My Portfolio tab, I also do not see the amount I just cashed out included in my Cash balances.

At this time, the HISA fund showing on my list of Investments on the My Holdings page has not been reduced yet.

If I select Transaction History from the list under the My Portfolio tab there is not yet any transaction listed. It does not list the order to sell the fund.

Welcome Back: The Sell Continues

On Friday, July 12
Under the My Portfolio tab, in the Transaction history I see a line item:

  • Transaction Date: July 10, 2013
  • Settlement Date: July 11, 2013
  • Activity Description: Sell
  • Description: BMO High Int Svng Account (BIL)
  • Symbol: AAT770
  • Quantity: -5,000
  • Price: 1.00 C
  • Total Amount: 5,000 C

And the money is now showing up in the Cash balance if I look at the My Holdings screen and in other screens.

Did I Need to Heed the Warnings about a Slow Sale of AAT770

So even though the program is still warning me that sales of units of AAT770 may be delayed, both in the past and in July 2013 I was able to sell units and have the cash appear in my account on the morning of the second business day after the sale. According to the transaction history, the money was actually available one business day after the sale.

The Schedule of Events for the Buy and Sell of Units of the AAT770 HISA Fund

  • Monday July 8 put in a request to buy units of AAT770 before 2 p.m. ET
  • Tuesday July 9 Cash still in account. AAT770 not yet listed as owned.
  • Wednesday July 10. Cash taken out of account. AAT770 units listed in My Holdings.
  • Wednesday July 10 put in a request to sell some units of AAT770 before 2 p.m. ET
  • Thursday July 11 Cash not in account. All units of AAT770 still listed as owned.
  • Friday July 12. Cash back in account. Sold units no longer listed in My Holdings.

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