How to Transfer RRSP Cash to a RBC Direct Investing RRSP

UPDATE: This article is historical, from 2014. I no longer invest with RBC Direct Investing.

Well, the promotional interest rate on my 2014 RRSP contribution at Tangerine, formerly ING Direct, has now expired. It’s time to transfer my cash from my Tangerine RRSP to my RBC Direct Investing RRSP brokerage account and invest it in some incredibly-low-fee buy-the-entire-market ETFs using those lovely free trades I got for opening my RBC DI account.

Like most of these transfers, I need to fill out a T2033 form to transfer my assets from one RRSP to the other. Transferring the money means I don’t pay any taxes and I don’t lose any contribution room. As usual, I need to fill out the form provided by the place where I want my money to go. So in this case, I need a transfer form from RBC Direct Investing which they will then send to Tangerine.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

Before You Start the Process of Transferring Your RRSP Cash to RBC Direct Investing

You’ll need the following info before you start:

  • the name and address of the bank or financial institution where your RRSP is now
  • the type of account you are transferring the RRSP money out of (for example, personal or spousal or locked-in)
  • the account number for the RRSP you are transferring the money out of, and also any other required identifying number such as a client number if necessary
  • the amount of money you want to transfer.

You will probably need a printer ready to print out your transfer request form.

How to Get a T2033 for RBC Direct Investing

  1. Go to http://www.rbcdirectinvesting.com/
  2. Sign in to your RBC DI RRSP account.
  3. Under the My Home tab, from the list across the top of the screen, click on the Forms link.
  4. Click on the listed link: Transfer Your Personal Account from Another Institution.
  5. On the Transfer Your Account from Another Institution page, click on the link: Transfer assets to your Registered account.

The Introduction Screen
Read through the information then click on the Continue button.

The My Information Screen
Review your name, address, phone number/s, email address and social insurance number. If they are correct, click the Continue button

The Delivering Institution Information Screen

  1. From the drop-down list, choose the bank that has your RRSP money right now.
    If it’s not listed, select Other at the bottom of the list.
    I had to select Other for Tangerine.
  2. If you had to select Other, you will also have to provide the name and address for your bank or financial institution.
    I filled in the fields for

    • Other Delivering Institution Name:
    • Address (line 1):
    • City:
    • Province:
    • Postal Code:

    with

    • Tangerine
    • 3389 Steeles Avenue East
    • Toronto
    • Ontario
    • M2H 3S8
  3. From the Delivering Institution Account Type: drop-down list select
    • RSP
    • Spousal RSP; or
    • LIRA
  4. In the Client Account/Policy Number: field, type the number for the account from which you are taking the money.
    I could only fit in my RSP number not my client account number.
  5. Select one of the following choices by clicking to select the radio button beside it:
    • Transfer all of my assets as they are (“as is”) including any existing cash balances to RBC Direct Investing (All in Kind)
    • Sell all of my assets and transfer the cash proceeds to RBC Direct Investing (All in Cash)
    • Transfer all of my assets. However, sell a portion of them and have the cash proceeds along with the remainder of the account transferred “as is” to RBC Direct Investing (All Assets, but Mixed – in cash and in kind)
    • Transfer only a portion of my assets to RBC Direct Investing (Partial)

    Because I want to leave $1 in my Tangerine account so that it’s ready and open for a future contribution, I selected the “only a portion” option.

  6. Click on the Continue button.

For my specific choice, I have to give further instructions.

The Partial Transfer Details Screen

  1. Click to select the answer Yes or No to the question: Are you transferring an existing cash balance from your plan?
    I selected Yes.
  2. Fill in the Transfer Details for Cash Balance table by typing in the amount of Canadian and/or US dollars you want to transfer into your RBC DI RRSP account or by clicking to select the ALL option for one or both types of dollars.
  3. Click to select the answer Yes or No to the question: Would you like to sell some of your assets and transfer the cash proceeds from the sale?
    I selected No.
  4. Click to select the answer Yes or No to the question: Are you moving existing securities to RBC Direct Investing as is (in kind)?
    I’m moving cash so I selected No.
  5. Click on the continue button.

If you had something to transfer differently, you may have to complete some other screens.

The RBC Direct Investing Information Screen

  1. Read the information about where you RSP money will be transferred.
  2. From the Transfer to Account: drop-down list, select the proper RRSP account into which to deposit the money. (You really usually only have one choice for this: your RRSP.)
  3. Click on the Continue button.

The Transfer Your Account from Another Institution Screen

  1. Read through what they are proposing to do. This is the information they will be mailing to Tangerine to start the transfer.
    If it all looks good, click on the Continue button.
  2. You must now print, sign and return the form to RBC DI. They will send a copy to Tangerine to process the transfer.
    • Click on the Print button.
    • Click on the Continue button.
    • Sign your form.
    • Because I’m like that, I also wrote my Tangerine client number and the plan number on the form beside where it listed my RSP account number. (After all there are a lot of Crooks in the world so it might help them to identify me better.)
    • Make a copy for your files.
    • If possible, RBC DI asks you to include a copy of your most recent statement from the RSP that from which you are transferring out the funds.
  3. Mail the signed form and the statement to
    RBC Direct Investing Inc.
    Royal Bank Plaza
    Address: 200 Bay Street, North Tower
    P.O. Box 75
    Toronto, Ontario
    M5J 2Z5
    (Actually always be sure to check the instructions for the most recent address. This is correct as of June 2014.)
  4. You should now expect to wait 2-6 weeks.
    Questions are taken at 1-800-769-2560, option 4.
  5. Next
    • to start another transfer click the Transfer More Accounts button; or
    • click the Done button.
  6. Unless you have anything else you wish to do, click on the Sign Out button.
  7. For added security clear your browser cache and close your browser session.

And Now We Wait

Last time my transfer to RBC DI moved at the speed of a glacier retreating in winter. Let’s see how long this time takes….

UPDATE: How Long Did It Take to Transfer Cash from Tangerine to RBC Direct Investing?

Ok, so here’s what happened.

  • On June 15 I put the request to transfer the cash into a big red Canada Post mail box.
  • On June 21 my cash was withdrawn from my RRSP at Tangerine.ca.
  • On Friday June 27 the cash appeared in my RRSP at RBC Direct Investing. In the Transaction History it was back-dated to deposit on June 26.

So the transfer wasn’t exactly fast but it wasn’t too bad. Now it’s time to start buying some low-fee hold-the-entire-market ETFs with my remaining free trades.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

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Which Self-Directed Brokerages Handle Which RESP Grants, Bonds and Incentives?

Most online self-directed brokerages offer RESPs within which you can receive the Canada Education Savings Grant, CESG. There are other grants and incentives available for some children, however, that not all brokerages are set up to handle. This is gradually changing as brokerages improve their offerings, so for the most up to date information, always speak with the brokerage you are considering. As of May 2014, however, this list summarizes which RESP grants, incentives and bonds are supported by which of the bigger self-directed brokerages.

What Government Grants, Bonds and Incentives Are on Offer for Children’s Education Savings?

I found information about the following federal and provincial government grants, bonds, incentives and programs to help save money for children’s higher education. There may be other programs: if you know of one, please add a comment to this article.

Federal Government Education Savings Programs

Provincial Government Education Savings Programs

Government Education Funds and Self-Directed Brokerages

In order for your child to get paid various government funds for higher education, the financial institution managing your child’s RESP must set up systems that meet the various government requirements. Not all brokerages have set up the required computer systems so they don’t all support all of the possible government programs available.
Before you choose a brokerage for your child’s RESP, one factor to consider is whether that brokerage supports the grants, bonds, programs and incentives your child is entitled to receive.

(Other factors may include things like

  • whether there is an annual fee for the account;
  • whether both parents can be subscribers and share rights to the account;
  • what the costs are to make various types of investments;
  • how easy or difficult it is to withdraw funds from the account when your child starts post-secondary education;
  • etc.)

The brokerages are listed in alphabetical order.

BMO InvestorLine RESPs Can Receive

the

  • Canada Education Savings Grant, CESG *
  • Additional Education Savings Grant, AESG *
  • Canada Learning Bond, CLB *
  • Alberta Centennial Education Savings Plan, ACES *
  • Quebec Education Savings Incentive, QESI, Basic and Additional Amount

Source: https://www.bmoinvestorline.com/home/getting-started/il/accounts/resp
*This information is also listed on the gc site.

There is no mention on the BMO website about whether they can receive the Saskatchewan Advantage Grant for Education Savings, SAGES. On the gc website, it does not report that InvestorLine can manage this grant.

CIBC Investor’s Edge RESPs Can Receive

the

  • Canada Education Savings Grant, CESG
  • Alberta Centennial Education Savings Plan, ACES
  • Quebec Education Savings Incentive, QESI

Investor’s Edge is not listed on the gc site at all.

I used the LiveChat feature to ask a CIBC Investor’s Edge representative what grants were supported. The agent replied: “CIBC Investor’s Edge currently offers the basic CESG, Alberta Centennial Education Savings Plan (ACES) and Quebec Education Savings Incentive (QESI).”

If you needed to receive the AESG or QESI additional amount I would suggest you confirm with CIBC IE before opening an account. It sounds like they may not be offered at this time (May 2014.)

Questrade RESPs Can Receive

the

  • Canada Education Savings Grant, CESG *
  • Additional Education Savings Grant, AESG *
  • Canada Learning Bond, CLB *
  • Alberta Centennial Education Savings Plan, ACES *
  • Quebec Education Savings Incentive, QESI

* This information is listed on the gc site.

The Questrade site only mentions the CESG, AESG and CLB. So I used Questrade’s online chat to ask an agent what is supported. He replied that all of the above government programs are supported and that they do not yet support the SAGES grant.

RBC Direct Investing RESPs Can Receive

the

  • Canada Education Savings Grant, CESG *
  • Quebec Education Savings Incentive, QESI

Source: http://www.rbcdirectinvesting.com/resp-account.html
*This information is also listed on the gc site.

I confirmed by sending a question via LiveChat that at this time in May 2014 those are the only grants RBC Direct Investing is supporting.

Scotia iTrade RESPs Can Receive

the

  • Canada Education Savings Grant, CESG
  • Additional Education Savings Grant, AESG
  • Canada Learning Bond, CLB
  • Alberta Centennial Education Savings Plan, ACES
  • Quebec Education Savings Incentive, QESI, Basic and Additional Amount

Scotia iTrade is not listed on the gc site at all.

I wrote an email to the iTrade support team. They don’t seem to have live online chat and I couldn’t find any details easily on their website. They replied 1.5 days later with the above information. The representative said that at this time (May 2014) they do not support SAGES.

TD Direct Investing RESPs Can Receive

the

  • Canada Education Savings Grant, CESG
  • Quebec Education Savings Incentive, QESI

Source: http://www.tdwaterhouse.ca/products-services/investing/td-direct-investing/accounts/resp/#content3 which states:
“TD Direct Investing offers only the Canada Education Savings Grant and the Quebec Education Savings Incentive, not any other federal or provincial grants or incentives.”

TD Direct Investing is not listed on the gc site at all.

The gc site is at: http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/student/promoters/list.shtml#B

The Master List of Banks, Credit Unions and Brokerages and Which Grants, Bonds and Incentives They Support

There is a massive online list available from the federal government of which institutions support which grants, bonds and incentives. It does not list the Quebec Education Savings Initiative, QESI, but it does list the CESG, AESG, CLB, ACES and Saskatchewan Advantage Grant for Education Savings, SAGES.

Transferring RESPs Between Institutions

Be VERY CAREFUL if you transfer RESPs between two institutions. There may be special paperwork required before the transfer is initiated to ensure the grant, bond or incentive monies do not have to be given back to the government that issued them. Discuss the move in detail with both institutions before you start it!

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