Testing a Buy (and Sell) of AAT770 in a BMO InvestorLine Account: Part One, the Buy

Stock prices for some of my favourites for “month trading” (like TD) have been soaring, diving and swooping back up off the grass like my favourite Penguin kite. (You do know Penguins can’t fly, right?) So I have a small pile of cash sitting in my trading account at BMO InvestorLine. I think I’ll buy some AAT770, the BMO high interest savings account fund, and then if one of my favourites starts heading for the dandelions I’ll sell it to fund a stock purchase.

Since stock prices are high on my favourites today, I can start this test now. If they start to plummet, though, I’ll want to bail quickly. So for this first stage, I’ll put in the buy order.

Tracking a Request to Purchase AAT770 from InvestorLine

Following my own instructions on how to buy AAT770,  I’ll place an order today.

At 12:55 ET on Monday, July 8 2013 I placed the order.

Immediately, when I select Order Status from the Trading Tab, I am provided with the following information:

  • the original order number
  • the symbol: AAT770
  • a description: BMO High Int Sving Account(BIL)
  • the order type: Buy
  • the original order quantity: $2,000,000 (Why don’t you believe me?!)
  • the outstanding quantity: blank
  • the entry date mm/dd: 07/08 (Good thing they clarify which one is the month)
  • the expiry date mm/dd: blank
  • the average fill price: blank
  • the status: submitted

The word submitted is a link but if I click it what opens is a definition of the term.

The original order number is also a link. If I click it the Order Status Details screen opens. That screen has the following information already (minutes after I placed the order.)

  • Original Order Number
  • Symbol: AAT770
  • Fund Name: BMO High Int Svng Account(BIL)
  • Reference Number: this is the same number as the original order number
  • Order Type: Buy
  • Order Quantity/value: $2,000,000 (Honest! Would a Crooks lie to you? OK maybe I exaggerate sometimes.)
  • Load Type: No Load
  • Most Recent Closing Price: $1.00
  • Dividend Option: Reinvest (which is what I asked for when I submitted the order)
  • Settlement Funds: CAD
  • Status: Submitted (same link to the definition)
  • Activity Date/Time: 2013-07-08 12:56

And an informational note:
“This order cannot be changed or cancelled for the following reason:
•  Mutual Fund and/or Fixed Income orders cannot be changed or cancelled online.”

My account balance is also shown in a small box in the upper right side of the screen. At this point it still shows a Cash Balance that *includes* the amount I have just committed to invest in the high interest savings account fund, AAT770.

If I click on the My Portfolio tab, I also still see the amount I just spend included in my Cash balances. That means it’s important to be careful not to overestimate how much cash I have left to spend on equities or other investments today.

At this time, the HISA fund is not appearing on my list of Investments on the My Holdings page.

If I select Transaction History from the list under the My Portfolio tab there is not yet any transaction listed. It does not list the order to buy the fund.

Stay Tuned
Tomorrow, I will check these reporting mechanisms again and see what BMO InvestorLine reports to be happening with my request to purchase this HISA fund. In the meantime, I will have to write a reminder on a sticky note on my monitor not to spend the $2,000,000 I just committed to buying the fund. ; )

Welcome Back: The Buy Continues
On Tuesday, July 9

  • By selecting Order Status under the Trading tab I reviewed my order to buy AAT770. It has now been updated to the Order Status of Filled.
  • Under My Portfolio, I selected Holdings.
    • My Cash Balance has still not been reduced by the amount I spent on the HISA. This is where having that sticky note on the monitor could be very important!
    • My purchase of the AAT770 is still not reported anywhere under My Holdings.
  • Under My Portfolio, I then selected Transaction History.
    Nothing is reported here yet either.

On Wednesday, July 10

  • Under the Trading Tab and selection Order Status I can still see the same Filled information as yesterday and nothing new.
  • Under My Portfolio, after I select Holdings, I see
    • my Cash Balance has finally been reduced by the amount of dollars I deposited in my High Interest Savings Account fund, and
    • under Investments, there is a line item for BMO High Int Svng Account (BIL) – AAT770
  • (If I select Categorize by Asset Class and click the Go button, the line is listed in the Cash equivalents section under the subheading Mutual funds. This is somewhat amusing to me as when I emailed MyLink about these accounts they replied in writing that these are not actually mutual funds. They sure look like they are when you buy them and sell them using the Mutual Funds screen and they report their values under the Mutual Funds subheading!)
  • Under My Portfolio, if I select Transaction History I can now see the line item for the Buy order. Although this is the first time it has shown up, on July 10, it states the activity had a Transaction Date of July 9 and a Settlement Date of July 9.

After the Purchase, the Sale
Now I will enter an order to sell some of my units. I will follow my own instructions in How Fast Can I Sell my BMO InvestorLine AAT770 HISA to Generate Cash to Re-invest?

You have to maintain a balance of at least $5000 but I deposited enough to remove a $5000 portion of the units and still leave over $5000 in the fund. $1,995,000 to be exact. (What do you mean you don’t believe me? Sheesh. I guess I won’t be selling you my shares in Nortel.) UPDATE As of 2017 10 03 the minimum balance is $1 000.

To find out what happens, please read Testing a Buy and Sell of AAT770 in a BMO InvestorLine Account Part Two: the Sell.

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When Will I See My Dividend Payments in my CIBC Investor’s Edge Account?

A bit over a month ago, May 28 2013 to be exact, I put in an order to buy some Cineplex shares for our Investor’s Edge account. I thought that I had made the purchase the day before the stock went ex-dividend. The sale settled on May 31 as expected. Then I started waiting for the end of June and the first monthly dividend payment. I wondered exactly when I would see my dividend payment appear in my CIBC brokerage account.

Why Test Using Cineplex?

Cineplex was a good stock for this test because it pays a dividend each month to shareholders on record on a date near the end of the previous month. There are quite a few companies that pay dividends monthly which can make a useful income stream for investors as I described in Using Dividend Paying Stocks to Create Monthly Income.

The fact that Cineplex has gone up over $2 a share since we bought was an unplanned but not unexpected bonus. Monsters U and Despicable Me, too, anyone?!

When was Cineplex Due to Pay?

According to their press release, Cineplex said it would pay “$0.12 per share for the month of May 2013, payable on June 28, 2013, to shareholders of record on May 31, 2013.”

So in theory since our shares settled on May 31, we should have received a dividend payment on June 28, 2013.

With BMO InvestorLine the actual dividend payment usually lands in my cash account one day after it was payable. It shows up in the transaction history back dated to the previous day, as I described in What is in the Transaction History for a BMO InvestorLine Account and What Should I Watch Out for?

Did the Payment Appear in my Transaction History on June 28? 29? 30? Canada Day?

No.

I wasn’t surprised that the dividend payment did not appear in my CIBC brokerage account or in the Investor’s Edge transaction history on Friday June 28.

I wasn’t even particularly surprised that it didn’t show up on Saturday or Sunday. And then Monday was Canada Day.

(Dividend transactions do appear in our InvestorLine accounts on the weekend,  though, back dated to the proper date.)

I gave it one last check very early Tuesday July 2. Still nothing.

That’s when I decided I must have somehow missed the Date of Record. Maybe a settlement date of May 31 did not equal a Record Date of May 31. Although I had thought it did.

When Did I Receive the Dividend?

Fast forward to Monday July 8. Refreshed after a few days in northern south eastern Ontario paddling among the muskrats and loons, I sat back down in front of a computer. Logging in to our CIBC account, I was surprised to find we DID receive the payment for the May Cineplex dividend.

How Does the Dividend Show Up in the CIBC Investor’s Edge Transaction History?

The transaction history reports:

  • In the Date column
    • T July 2: I believe that means transaction date, based on other items.
    • S July 2: Settlement date. Ditto.
  • In the Curr column
    CAD
  • In the Type column
    Dividend
  • In the Description column
    Cash div on 100 shares rec 05/31/13 pay 06/30/13
  • In the Symbol column
    CGX:CDN
  • In the Quantity column
    nothing was reported
  • In the Price column
    nothing was reported
  • In the Amount column
    $12.00

I found the dates a bit confusing.

  • Rec does not mean Received. It means Date of Record, May 31, 2013.
  • Pay, though, is not listed as Friday June 28 per the press release, but as Sunday June 30. I’m not sure why it says that.
  • July 2 is apparently when the money was put into our cash account. I didn’t see it there first thing on the 2, but it may have appeared later that day or before the start of trading on July 3.

Possibly the June 30 date was used simply because it is the last day of the month. The Cineplex dividend is usually payable the last day of the month if that day is a business day. If not, they usually move it up to the last business day.

A Probable Explanation for the Delay in Dividend Payment

I suspect the cause of the delayed dividend payment was confusion. This was the first dividend earned by this stock since we purchased it. I expect that second and subsequent dividend payments will be credited much more quickly to our account.

Testing, Testing 1, 2, 3

I guess I’ll have to keep an eye on the account and see what happens this month.

According to the Cineplex Press Release, the June dividend payable to owners on record on June 28, 2013 is payable on July 31, 2013. Since the 31 is a Wednesday, the dividend could appear on the 31, or on August 1 or later.

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