Does It Cost Anything to Transfer Part of my ING Direct RRSP to Another Institution?

ING Direct, now Tangerine.ca, offers a great service for quickly making a new RRSP contribution. You can make the contribution into a daily interest savings account RRSP, a cashable RRSP GIC, or a RRSP “Streetwise” Mutual fund by simply logging in to your online account and “moving” your money from your chequing or savings account into the RRSP investment you want. You can print your RRSP receipt immediately if the cash was already in your account, or as soon as the hold clears if your cash has to be transferred in from another non-Tangerine bank account. This convenience means we often make our new RRSP contributions to our ING Direct Tangerine RRSPs. Sometimes, though, a better investment opportunity comes up later and we want to move some of that RRSP money elsewhere. When that happened recently, I contacted ING Direct Tangerine to check whether it costs anything to move part of my RRSP to another institution.

Tangerine To Start Charging a Fee to Transfer Out RRSPs and TFSAs!

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

ING Direct Tangerine Does not Charge Transfer Out Fees for RRSPs

Here’s a direct quote from ING Direct Tangerine: “We don’t have unfair fees, so there’s no charge from us to transfer out your RSP funds. Before making the move, check with your other bank for any unfair fees they may charge you for an RSP transfer in the future. You don’t want the fee to eat away at your retirement savings.”

Their advice is sound. Most “big banks” charge a hefty fee to transfer money out of an RRSP at their bank.

How Do I Transfer some of my RRSP funds from Tangerine to Direct Investing, InvestorLine or Investor’s Edge?

Don’t take the money out of your RRSP to move it! You can NOT add it back to your RRSP. And you will have to pay a non-refundable tax on the withdrawal.

To move the money, you must transfer it, not withdraw it. The money will move directly from one RRSP to the other.

I’m going to quote ING Direct Tangerine again on this one:
“To transfer out your RSP funds from ING Direct Tangerine you will need to submit an RSP Transfer Form (T2033) to the other bank that will be receiving your RSP funds. You can find this form at your local bank branch or online at cra-arc.gc.ca. Once they’ve received your completed form, they’ll communicate on your behalf to move your money.”

In any situation where you are transferring an RRSP, you must have an RRSP account at both locations BEFORE you can make the transfer. If you want to transfer out, first set up the new account at the new bank or trust company so there is somewhere to send it to!

Where Can I Get a RRSP T2033 for Direct Investing, InvestorLine, Investor’s Edge or ING Direct Tangerine?

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP from anywhere TO BMO InvestorLine, go to
https://www.bmoinvestorline.com/ILClientWeb/marketing/accountTransfer.do?method=displayMarketingForm&lang=E
or
https://www.bmoinvestorline.com/public/pdf/Trans_SD.pdf

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP from anywhere TO CIBC Investor’s Edge, go to
https://www.investorsedge.cibc.com/ie/pdf/2033.pdf

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP from anywhere TO RBC Direct Investing, go to
http://www.rbcdirectinvesting.com/transfer-an-account.html

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP TO ING Direct Tangerine from another institution, login to your existing Tangerine account. From the menu on the left, click on the link Transfer RSPs to open the form.

How Long Does It Take to Transfer Money from One RRSP to Another?

And quoting once again:
“An RSP transfer takes 3-6 weeks to complete.”

Actually, that’s a bit on the quick side. It has taken me as long as 8 weeks to transfer an RRSP, and that was from one bank to that same bank’s self-directed brokerage firm!

So if you were thinking of moving the money fast enough to take advantage of a special GIC rate, it may not be fast enough. Call the bank or brokerage with the good rate and find out if there’s any way to have them “hold” that rate for you. (It’s not very likely, though, unless you’re bringing in a very large amount of money.)

If it’s for a quick investment opportunity like a low stock price, you likely won’t be able to move the money fast enough. In that case, consider whether you could make a new contribution to your brokerage account in time to make the purchase.

Please remember you will pay a fee to transfer your money out of Tangerine to InvestorLine or any other financial institution. BEFORE starting any transfer talk to the institution that will receive the money and ask them to pay the transfer fee. Get any agreement in writing BEFORE beginning the transfer process.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine plans has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

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Retirement Planning: Don’t Invest Your Pension Primarily in Stock in This

Tempting though it may be, it’s an inherently risky move to invest most of your pension in the stock of the company for which you work. Here’s an explanation and an example to consider.

Don’t Keep the Bulk of Your Savings in Shares of the Company for Which You Work

There may be some comfort in investing in your own company. You may have pride in your employer and in your own work. You may feel that you would “know” if there were accounting irregularities or any weakness that threatens the company. You may know your company has a long history of steady growth.

It’s a risky choice.

Having Too Many $$ in the Same Company is Risky

Many people who work in large Canadian companies are offered opportunities to invest directly in the company for which they work. Often, there is a work savings plan that allows employees to buy shares in the company without paying a trading commission. If the company has a defined contribution pension plan, and most now do, one of the investment choices is to buy stock in the company, often with no commissions charged. Depending on the type of employee rewards program, they may be granted SARs or RSUs where the award’s payout is based on the value of the stock on a certain day or during a certain period.

Now imagine where else these employees are putting their savings and retirement money? Chances are good that at least some of it is going into a stock market ETF or mutual fund that includes their own company!

Having so much of your personal monetary worth tied to one company is inherently risky.

Learn from the Disastrous Impact of Nortel’s Collapse on Its Employees’ Pensions

A relative of mine was once employed by Nortel Networks. Like many Nortel employees much of his pension was invested in shares in Nortel. After all, at that time, Nortel was a mini-Bell. It was a secure, stable, growing Canadian corporation. It was even viewed as being largely conservative.

This relative worked for a splinter group in Nortel that the company decided one day to sell off. Part of the terms of sale was that certain of the key employees, including my relative, would move to the new business. Another condition of the sale was that the employees of the new company had to sell off any holdings in Nortel, specifically the ones in their pension plan.

That forced change in pension investments saved my relative thousands of dollars. Because just after he sold, Nortel collapsed.

For those of you too young or otherwise new to the Nortel saga, here’s a quick review. Nortel was a subsidiary of Bell. According to the CBCNews article Key dates in Nortel Networks’ history in 1977 it incorporated. In July 2000, during the dotcom bubble, Nortel’s stock hit a high of $124.50 per share. In 2002, the share price had plunged to 67 cents. It never really recovered. In June 2009 Nortel was delisted from the TSX.

Virtually none of the Nortel employees saw this coming. The collapse was caused, it appears, by two major problems. One, the price of the shares skyrocketed on the same euphoria that swept all high tech companies in the late 1990s, now called the dotcom bubble. The price shot way above the realistic value of the assets and the production of the company. Two, there may have been some actual illegal activity on the part of Nortel management. That is still being decided in the courts. Either way, when the dotcom implosion occurred, Nortel was caught up in the tidal wave and left battered and broken on the beach.

Many Nortel employees lost their jobs. Many of them then realized in horror that their personal savings plans and their retirement plans had been heavily invested directly in Nortel stock. They had lost virtually everything, through no fault of their own, in less than a year. No one saw it coming. No one person could have stopped it.

Don’t let it happen to you. Stay diversified. Doesn’t let most of your worth become invested in only one asset no matter how safe and secure it seems.

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