CIBC vs ING Direct to Investor’s Edge RRSP: the Race is On

As I keep droning on and on about till I start foaming at the mouth and fall over backwards (although I’m not a Candidate for the Conservative party), we have/had a lot of RRSP GICs and similar cash investments scattered around that needed consolidating in our brokerage accounts. The problem is that most GICs cannot be transferred intact. Instead, we have to wait until they mature, direct to have them cash out into a RRSP daily interest savings account, then transfer them to our brokerage RRSP. It’s very slow; there’s lots of paperwork; and it’s very dull. So recently, I decided to set up a little race for my own amusement. I requested the cash in our RRSP DISA at CIBC be transferred into our Investor’s Edge account at the same time as I requested a transfer of cash from our ING Direct Tangerine RRSP DISA. Then I started the clock ticking.

Who won the RRSP Transfer Race?

Well, as you probably guessed CIBC did. Actually I was surprised at how quickly that transfer went through. It was much faster than last time. Anyway, here are the facts:

Saturday September 14, we had the CIBC branch staff complete their part of the T2033 and fax it to CIBC Wholesale Brokerage Operations.
We also had them complete and mail an original T2033 to ING Direct Tangerine and send a copy of that request to CIBC Wholesale Brokerage Operations.

On Thursday September 19, the CIBC DISA cash appeared in our RRSP brokerage account, back dated to September 18. That means the transfer took only 3 business days to complete. (It was in the account on the 4th business day.)

At that point there was still no sign of the ING Direct Tangerine money yet. But to be fair, CIBC had to mail the request to them and it probably didn’t even go into the mail until the end of the day on Monday, September 16.

Today, Wednesday, October 2, the money arrived in the brokerage account from ING Direct Tangerine. So that transfer took 12 business days. (It was in the account on the 13th business day.) That’s still a very respectable time for an inter-bank transfer!

Of course now we have to wait till 2015 to make the next transfer from CIBC. So I guess that will be the last race for a while….

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

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Goodbye Canada Retirement Savings Plan, Hello ING Direct RRSP

For me, investing includes emotions not just facts. I like Canada Savings Bonds. My parents invested each of our “Baby Bonuses” into CSBs and those same bonds later helped pay for my engineering degree. When I started working, I enrolled in the Canada Savings Bond payroll deduction plan and each year I’d get some new bonds with the money that was taken from my cheques before I could see it, want it or spend it. Later, when we were cash-short to make RRSP contributions, my husband and I would transfer some of our CSBs directly by phone to the Canada Retirement Savings Plan. The tax receipt would arrive a few days later in the mail. So it’s with sadness that I am finally saying goodbye to the Canada Retirement Savings Plan and to the last of my Canada Savings Bonds; But I’m also saying hello to an old friend, our ING Direct, now called Tangerine.ca, RRSP account, which is offering me a bonus right now.

Why Am I Closing Our Last Canada Retirement Savings Plan Account?

I moved the bulk of our RRSP money invested in our Canada Retirement Savings Plans out a few years ago. I moved it to our brokerage accounts at BMO InvestorLine. Most of it was re-invested there in GICs. Why did I move the money from an investment in Canada Savings Bonds to an investment in GICs? Because after all those years of good returns, the Harper government had finally dropped the rates on CSBs below the rate trust companies offered on GICs.

I think that’s a shame. I think the Canada Savings Bond programs were two of the best, most accessible programs for small investors out there. Through automatic payroll deduction, free to employees and almost free to employers, regular people could be encouraged to save. The savings felt safe. Many people, especially those who moved here from other countries, don’t particularly trust banks. Investing in the government feels safer. The rates used to float a percent or two higher than that of GICs as additional incentive.

And the bonds could be transferred quickly and easily, without redemption, into a no-fee RRSP account called the Canada Retirement Savings Plan administered by the government. The tax receipts came quickly and accurately. Statements came (for free!) in the mail quarterly or semi-annually. Withdrawals (aside from withholding taxes) came with no fees. There were no fees to transfer the funds to another RRSP either. No sales people called, ever. It was a simple, pain free, secure way to save for retirement.

The Federal Government’s War of Attrition on Canada Savings Bonds

Unfortunately, a few elections ago, the government decided it wanted out of the Canada Savings Bond business. Given the tremendous goodwill out there for the bonds, they didn’t want to simply cancel the programs. Instead they began a war of attrition.

First, the interest rates payable on Canada Savings Bonds were slashed. Next, the CSB payroll deduction plan was significantly modified so that it became a virtual electronic savings account. While this had a few advantages it was largely intimidating to people who preferred getting a simple slip of paper telling them what they owned. Next regular CSBs, which could be cashed any time, were cancelled altogether. Only Premium bonds which could only be cashed on the annual anniversary date were offered. The Canada Retirement Savings Plan was closed to new applicants. Then they made another change such that if your balance in the CRSP drops to 0 they will close your account and you can’t re-open it.

That last one is why I left a small balance in each of our accounts. I was quietly hoping for a change in government and a change in policy. It’s not happening though. And I realized if we do get a re-think, they will probably re-open the program to all Canadians. So it’s time to close our accounts for now.

And the best time seems to be exactly now. The interest rate on our remaining premium bonds has dropped below that for a GIC. And ING Direct Tangerine is offering me a bonus to transfer in the money.

Tangerine Offers a RRSP Transfer In Bonus

We already have daily interest savings account RRSPs with Tangerine. They have been very handy for making last minute contributions, printing a tax receipt immediately, and then deciding whether to invest the money in a GIC at Tangerine or transfer it for free elsewhere later when we have time to think.

Their offer says:
“Simply transfer RSP savings you may have to your RSP ISA between August 26 and September 30, 2013. You’ll get a Cash Bonus equal to 1% of the amount you transfer in, up to $100.”

It’s a sign that it’s time for me to make the transfer.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

I would no longer transfer money from a RRSP into Tangerine unless I planned to keep it there for the long term.

Goodbye CRSP and Thanks for all the Fish

Today I’ll fill out the T2033 online at ING Direct Tangerine, print a copy and mail it in. My next statement from the Canada Retirement Savings Plan will show a balance of 0. And I will feel sad.

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