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Recently, we received letters in the mail that President’s Choice Financial is ending soon. After 19 years, PC Financial will be gone. On November 1 2017, we will have an account with CIBC’s new online bank called Simplii. It will be interesting to see what changes CIBC will make including if it will add any new fees for services; In the meantime, I’m ordering some more PC Financial cheques for free.

Why Order More PC Financial Cheques If the Bank Is Closing Soon?

The major value of PC Financial to me was that I could get unlimited paper cheques for free. Tangerine offers free chequing but you have to buy the paper cheques after you use up your first batch.

My kids’ schools are only just now toying with online payment options. Till now, most major purchases such as school trips had to be paid for by post-dated cheques. I used our PC Financial cheques for these kinds of expenses to avoid having to buy paper cheques for our Tangerine or Big Bank bank accounts.

I’m ordering more free cheques now to last me for a few years. If the change in ownership of PC Financial to CIBC happens the way the change from ING Direct to ScotiaBank did for Tangerine, then the old cheques will still be useable even when I start banking with Simplii. If they aren’t, it won’t cost me anything if I just have to recycle them and get new cheques from Simplii. Either way, it’s no cost to me, but it might save me money if I can use the old PC Financial cheques for my new Simplii account.

How to Order Your Last Set of PC Financial Cheques

Sign in to your account at PC Financial.
From the list on the left side of the screen, click on More Services
On the More Services page, under the Account Services heading, click on the link: Order Cheques.
On the Order Cheques page, if necessary, choose the correct chequing account from the drop-down list.
Click on the button Order now.
You should receive a message confirming that your cheques will be mailed to the address of the primary account holder and arrive in 7-10 business days.
If you’re finished banking, sign out of your account.
For extra security, clear your browser history and cache and close your browser session.

What Changes Should I Expect as PC Financial Becomes the CIBC Online Bank Simplii?

Frankly, it’s a bit early to know.

In the short term, most features will remain the same. They do indicate a few changes will happen quickly though:

You will no longer be able to bank for free at PC Financial kiosks in the grocery stores.
You will, however, be able to use the CIBC bank machines for free. The grocery stores may choose to put in bank machines from another Big Bank. If they do, they will NOT be free to use.
Gradually, between November 1 2017 and April 13, 2018, CIBC will mail out debit cards to replace the PC Financial debit cards. Until the replacement is issued, though, you can still use your old card.
As of November 1, 2017 you will not get any PC points for using your debit card.

Will I Continue to Bank with What Used to Be PC Financial?

I’ll have to see what CIBC does with its new bank. If they keep the interest rates reasonably high and the fees very low, I will probably continue to bank with them. If not, I’ll move on.

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A few years ago, I compared the features of our PC Financial No Fee Chequing Account and our Tangerine Chequing Account. A few things have changed since then, so I decided to compare them again and see which bank offers the best no-fee daily-interest-paying chequing account.

Why Not Just Have a Chequing Account at Both Tangerine and PC Financial?

Before you worry too much about the details, consider whether you just want to have two chequing accounts, one at Tangerine and one at PC Financial. There is no required minimum balance to have an account at either bank, as of when this was written in December 2016. So you can open one at each bank and use whichever one best suits your needs at the time. That’s what we did.

UPDATE April 2017: While there is no minimum balance required most of the time at Tangerine, to avoid an “inactivity fee” followed by the closure of your account, you now have to make one transaction per year. This can be as simple as transferring or depositing $1 into your account every 364 days, or withdrawing $1. If no activity takes place for 365 days, they will zing you with a $10 fee. If your balance is below $10, they will take all of the money in your account.

NOTE: PC Financial also has an inactivity fee. They start charging the fee if there is no activity for 2 years but they charge $20 per year. So for either bank, make sure you set up an automatic transaction to take place every 364 days to avoid this fee. You could, for example, set up an automatic transfer of $1 in and of $1 out of your account every 6 months.

Does a PC Financial or Tangerine Chequing Account Come with a Debit Card with Flash for Tap Payments?

Both PC Financial and Tangerine chequing accounts come with a free debit card. For both banks you can use the debit card with unlimited free debit transactions to buy stuff. This is one of the major advantages of these two banks over the usual big 5 Canadian banks—most of them charge you a monthly fee that includes a limited number of debit transactions, or require you to keep a large amount of money in the account at all times with no interest paid to get unlimited free transactions.

You can use the debit card to make deposits and withdraw cash, too.

For PC Financial the card can be used at PC Financial kiosks with ABMs, and at CIBC ABMs for no fee.

For Tangerine, the card can be used at Tangerine ABMs, and at Scotiabank ABMs for no fee. There are other ABMs in the Scotiabank network, too, such as ones at Cineplex, which you can find online.

In December 2016, Tangerine began sending out new debit cards that allow Interac Flash payment. After making a regular chip and pin number purchase with the new card, for your next and following transactions you can pay using Interac Flash. According to the Tangerine website you can then pay “by simply holding your Client Card in front of the reader at the checkout.” Flash will only permit purchases of under $100. You’ll also have to use your PIN after every $200 spent using Flash. You can turn off the Flash feature by phoning Tangerine. There is no fee to use the Interac Flash payment method.

In 2015, PC Financial began offering debit cards that allow Interac Flash payment. They did not automatically mail them out, though, and many customers, us included, did not even know they were available! Flash is set to only permit purchases of under $50. You’ll also have to use your PIN after every $200 spent using Flash. According to the PC Financial legal terms, you can disable Flash by calling PC Financial or by visiting a pavilion.

Which Chequing Account Pays the Most Interest, PC Financial or Tangerine?

Until December 1, 2016, Tangerine was paying daily interest on its chequing account as described in my older article. But they dropped the rate they pay on December 1, 2016, without any email or mail warning to its customers. (EQ Bank and Oaken Financial provide early warning to their customers about rate changes.)

This sneaky rate drop was one of the reasons why I decided to review the two bank’s offerings more closely and write a new article.

Right now, on April 30, 2017, Tangerine is paying interest at three levels based on the amount in the amount in the Chequing Account:

0.15% for amounts from $0.01- $49 999
0.55% for amounts from $50 000 – $99 999.99, and
0.65% for amounts from $100 000 and up

(You can check the Tangerine rates online. They do change.)

PC Financial has more levels of interest rates on their No Fee Chequing Account

On the portion of balance between: Annual Interest Rate (%)
$0.00 – $1,000.00 0.05
$1,000.01 – $5,000.00 0.10
$5,000.01 – $10,000.00 0.15
$10,000.01 – $25,000.00 0.25
$25,000.01 and up 0.50

You can check the PC Financial rates online too. They can also change.

You can see
If you keep about this amount in your chequing account

0 – $12 000 you earn the most interest at Tangerine
$13 000 and up you earn the most interest at PC Financial

While this is important for those who carry large balances in their chequing account, it isn’t a deal breaker for me. I keep most of my cash in my savings account and only move it to my chequing account close to when I need to use it. Since Tangerine allows instant transfers between savings and chequing, I can live with their low interest rate for balances above $10 000. Your needs may vary though.

Which Chequing Account Is Best for Actual Cheques: PC Financial or Tangerine?

This one is easy: PC Financial is best for customers who actually use cheques.

As of April 2017, PC Financial was still providing unlimited free paper cheques for its account holders. You order them one batch at a time by mail. Once one set has arrived, though, you can promptly order another set. I have about 150 cheques ready for me to use by ordering ahead. The order is placed very easily online.

Tangerine, on the other hand, only provides its first set of paper cheques for free. After that, you have to purchase additional cheques. They are significantly cheaper than cheques ordered from the Big 5 Canadian banks—but they are also much uglier. UPDATE: In April 2017 they also increased the cost of their cheques but not by much.

So if you are regularly writing cheques, perhaps to fund the endless requests for money from your child’s school, PC Financial offers you the best chequing account.

Do PC Financial and Tangerine Provide Overdraft Protection for Their Chequing Accounts?

Yes, both banks offer an overdraft protection service. I haven’t used either service so I can’t speak personally about whether it works well. I don’t think anyone should ever use overdraft if they can possibly avoid it but that’s just my financially conservative opinion.

Both banks charge a small fee when your account goes below $0.00 and both banks charge interest on the money they loan on your behalf.

Tangerine used to offer free overdraft protection for a small drop below $0.00 when it was owned by another financial institution called ING Direct but now that Scotiabank owns it that service is no longer provided. (Any bank can choose to waive an overdraft fee, though, if they want to please their customer. If you don’t normally end up trying to spend money you don’t have, you may want to phone in and ask if they will forgive your mistake.)

How Easy Is It to Transfer Money Between Chequing and Savings Accounts at Tangerine and PC Financial?

Tangerine is the best of the two banks for transferring money easily between your Savings and your Chequing accounts. You can move your money instantly online with just a few clicks.

For PC Financial, you must wait one business day for a transfer to move your money from Savings to Chequing. You can move it immediately from Chequing to Savings, though. It’s as if they want to make you think before you spend your Savings. It’s annoying though, since they pay higher interest on their Savings so I’d prefer to keep my money there until I have a bill to pay or a purchase to make.

It is free at both banks to transfer money between accounts and to transfer money in and out of other banks. (Note: the other bank, however, may charge a fee. You’d have to check with that bank.)

How Many Free Online Bill Payments Can I Make from my PC Financial or Tangerine Chequing Account?

Both accounts allow you to make unlimited free bill payments online. As with most banks, it can take 2-3 BUSINESS days for the online payment to be received by the company billing you, so be sure to pay early enough to avoid late payment charges.

Can I Set Up Automatic Bill Payments and Pre-Authorized Withdrawals?

Yes, you can arrange to automatically

pay a certain amount to your billing companies
transfer a fixed amount regularly to another bank account either at the same bank or at another bank
authorize a PAD, pre-authorized deduction to pay a bill such as your car insurance

All of these payments and transfers are free.

Can I Set Up Direct Deposit of My Pay Cheque to My Tangerine or PC Financial Chequing Account?

Yes. You can get your employer to deposit your pay directly into your chequing account at either Tangerine or PC Financial. Neither bank charges you a fee for receiving your pay.

How Much Does It Cost to Look at My Cashed Cheques?

If you have a joint account with a partner who doesn’t write down in the cheque book what they used a cheque for, you may like to look online and find out who they sent money and how much was paid.

Both Tangerine and PC Financial let you look online at an image of your cashed cheques to see who they were paid to, when and for how much. It’s free at both banks! Much better than most large Canadian banks which charge a fee.

Online Statements Only

Both banks offer free monthly statements—but only online. If you want a paper statement you’ll have to print it or pay a fee.

Bank Drafts and Certified Cheques

Both banks offer a Bank Draft if you need to make a large secured purchase payment. In both cases, it’s a hassle to get one. You have to pay a fee for this service from both banks. And you have to get it couriered.

Interac e-Transfers to Send Your Money to Someone Via Email

You can send your money to someone else using the Interac e-Transfer option from both Tangerine and PC Financial. Both charge a fee for this service.

Tangerine charges $1 for an Interac e-Transfer, as of April 2017.

PC Financial charges $1.50 for an Interac e-Transfer as of April 2017.

Tangerine also offers from email money transfers although they are a bit slower and more complicated for the receiver to use. They are very simple to use for transferring to another Tangerine customer, though. I email money to my relatives easily because we are both Tangerine customers.

Can I Deposit Cheques Into My Chequing Account Using a Photo App?

Yes, both Tangerine and PC Financial allow you to deposit cheques into your account using a photo-taking app.

I find the PC Financial app a bit harder to use, but it works.

It’s free to use either app.

Which Is The Best Chequing Account – Tangerine or PC Financial?

Personally, I like
PC Financial best for

its free paper cheques

Tangerine best for

its instantaneous transfer between Savings and Chequing accounts
its bill paying interface
its interest rate on low balances
its quick and simple free email transfers to another Tangerine customer

Since both accounts are free to have and do not require a minimum balance, I have an account at both Tangerine and PC Financial.