Is the Tangerine Offer of Cash for Transferring Your RRSPs to Them a Good Deal? Where Should I Consider Keeping my RRSP Investments?

Recently, Tangerine sent me a big package in the mail offering me a cash incentive if I transferred my RRSP savings to them. My first reaction was “Why could they afford to send me this ad, but not afford to send me a letter advising me of their new $45 fee to transfer a RRSP or TFSA out from Tangerine to another bank?” After feeling miffed for a while, I read through the package to see whether their RRSP transfer offer was a good deal or not: here’s what I decided.

Most Places Charge You a Fee to Transfer Out Your RRSP

The first thing you should be wary of if you are considering transferring some or all of your RRSP to Tangerine is that most banks, credit unions and brokerages charge you a fee if you transfer out your RRSP assets. (When this was written, People’s Trust did not charge a fee: so there are some good guys out there.)

PC Financial, for example, charges $50 to transfer out some or all of your RRSP savings. (See: http://www.banking.pcfinancial.ca/mkt/bankaccounts/nofeebankaccount-en.html and click on Charges Apply to get the list of various fees.)

CIBC charges $100.

You’d want to check what your bank, brokerage or other institution will charge you to move your RRSP money *before* you make a decision. It may cost you more than you get as the “bonus” to move your RRSP!

How Much Is Tangerine Offering as a Cash Bonus for a RRSP Transfer?

Tangerine is offering $100 for a RRSP transfer BUT it requires a transfer of at least $10 000.

The transfer must be started before March 31 2015 by submitting a completed form to Tangerine. Tangerine will then complete the form and send it to the place your RRSP is at right now. That company must send Tangerine the cash within 60 days or you won’t get your bonus.

You can see that $100 is just enough to cover the transfer out fee from some places like CIBC so it isn’t a really sweet offer.

You could try phoning Tangerine and ask if they will pay the transfer out fee in addition to the $100 bonus. I’d be a bit surprised if they will but it never hurts to ask. (If it works, please leave a comment to let us know!)

The $10 000 minimum to earn the bonus is a large amount. Many people would be considering opening an online discount brokerage account for their RRSP when they have $15 000 – $25 000. If you have $10 000 to transfer in to Tangerine and if you are planning to contribute $5000 or more to your RRSP this year, you might want to slow down and consider brokerages first. RBC Direct Investing, for example, has no RRSP annual fee if you agree to pre-authorized RRSP contributions.

How Do I Move my RRSP Money?

In the package Tangerine sent me in the mail, they included the form needed to move a RRSP from another bank to Tangerine. You can also download the form easily from the Tangerine website.

Why Would I Consider Moving my RRSP Money to Tangerine?

For the past two years, Tangerine has not offered particularly good rates on its RRSP GICs or on its RRSP daily interest savings account. You can get better rates for both of those elsewhere as I mentioned in my article on RRSP GIC and Cash Deposit rates.
One good thing Tangerine does offer, though, is its Tangerine RSP Investment Funds. The Canadian Couch Potato website recommends these Balanced funds for investors who

  • don’t have a lot of RRSP savings so they would have to pay an annual fee to have a brokerage account and would find ETF purchase and sale fees are too high
  • don’t want to have to sell and buy different funds to keep their portfolio growth balanced each year
  • want to just buy one fund and add new contributions to it and not think about it too much
  • want to make small, steady new contributions with no fees

According to the Tangerine sales pitch I received, their three balanced funds have done acceptably in the past, earning between 6-8.59% over the past 5 years or 4.70-4.79% since they were created, depending on the fund. You should read the fund details on the Tangerine website before deciding if one of the funds is right for you. (If these returns seem a bit low, remember these Balanced Funds include bonds as well as stocks so they are less risky but also less likely to generate a huge gain or a huge loss.)

Would I Recommend Someone Else Move $10 000 in RRSP Funds to Tangerine?

Maybe.

If they are only interested in investing in GICs and cash accounts, no. I’d suggest they look at some credit unions, online trust companies and Oaken Financial first.

If they are currently investing in their RRSP at a Big Bank and are paying a high fee (MER) for a mutual fund that is not performing any better than the Tangerine low-fee (MER) funds, then I might.

If they have a small amount in their RRSP and are ok with selling some mutual funds and buying others to keep their portfolio balanced, and if they don’t mind a few hassles getting the account first set up, I’d suggest they consider TD Waterhouse e-funds account. The details are on the Canadian Couch Potato website.

If they can make regular monthly RRSP contributions and have $10 000 already, I’d suggest they look at the RBC Direct Investing brokerage account to see if it interests them.

If they have $25 000 or more and only put money into their RRSP once or twice a year, I’d suggest they look at BMO InvestorLine or CIBC Investor’s Edge. Investor’s Edge is offering free purchases and sales of ETFs until March 31, 2015 in its RRSP accounts although there’s no way to know if they will offer the same deal again next year.

Would I Move $10 000 in RRSP Funds to Tangerine?

No because I have over $50 000 in my RRSP so I prefer to use an online discount brokerage account where I can choose more types of investments.

So sorry, Tangerine, but you just wasted a bit of postage and paper by sending me this offer.

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How to Open a Tangerine TFSA Kick Start to Save in the Fall of 2014 for January 2015

It’s back! Once again, Tangerine is offering a savings account bonus rate for people who set aside money to be transferred immediately into their Tangerine TFSA Savings Account on January 1 2015. So if you have money you plan to put in your TFSA January 1 that is not earning much interest, you may want to open a Tangerine TFSA Kick Start Account and earn an expected annual rate of 2.6% for the next 2 plus months.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

Given that change, I would no longer recommend the Kick Start program unless you plan to keep your TFSA money at Tangerine for the long term.

Why Does the TFSA Kick Start Account Pay “Double” Interest?

You can’t put your 2015 money into your TFSA in 2014 without paying a big penalty to the CRA. So Tangerine can’t really offer you an early start on your 2015 TFSA.

However, most people are in a tax bracket where they pay a tax rate of 50% or less on their savings account interest. So if Tangerine pays you twice as much interest on your savings as they normally would, they consider that they are paying you the money you will need to pay your taxes on that interest. So the Kick Start account mimics a tax-free account.

For example, say you would normally earn $2 in interest on your savings account funds from October 1-December 31. If you are in a 50% tax bracket, you would have to pay $1 of that money to the government when you file your tax return in April.

Now if Tangerine paid you $4 in interest instead of $2, you would have to pay $2 to the government, but you would be left with $2—that’s the same amount as if you had not had to pay any taxes on your savings account funds.

Of course the real reason Tangerine is paying you extra interest is that they would like you to put your 2015 TFSA contribution into one of their financial products. The Kick Start account will automatically transfer your TFSA savings into your TFSA account on January 1 (up to $5500.)

Tangerine is hoping you’ll leave your TFSA money in that account or use it to buy one of their TFSA GICs or TFSA mutual funds.

They won’t be really happy with me: I will transfer (for no fee!) my TFSA money out of my Tangerine account on January 2, 2014, and send it to my brokerage account.

UPDATE: Since Tangerine is planning to charge a fee for transfers out of its TFSA to another financial institution starting January 2015, there is no longer any value to me in using the Kick Start program. I am withdrawing my contribution immediately. I will not earn any bonus interest, but I will be able to contribute my 2015 TFSA contribution without any fee in January to my brokerage account.

Why Go To So Much Trouble to Earn an Extra Couple of $$?

Personally, I don’t find it much work to enroll in the Tangerine TFSA Kick Start program. It takes about 3 minutes. What I’m putting into the account is money that would otherwise be earning only 1.3%. (It’s money that was not eligible for the recent interest rate promotions from PC Financial and Tangerine, partly because some of it had not been earned yet!)

It doesn’t matter to me if I have to wait a couple of weeks for my TFSA money to transfer from Tangerine to my brokerage, either. I like to study what I want to invest in, and I often find things are overpriced during TFSA and “RRSP Season.”

Last year, by the way, it took 11 business days for my TFSA money to transfer from Tangerine to my brokerage, including the time my request spent in the mail. It took 18 business days for my husband’s money to move.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine plans to start charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

Given that change, I would no longer recommend the Kick Start program unless you plan to keep your TFSA money at Tangerine for the long term.

How to Open a Tangerine TFSA Kick Start Account

  1. Click on the tab: Open a new Account
  2. Look for the Tangerine 2015 TFSA Kick Start Account section.
  3. Click on the button: Learn more
  4. Read through the program details. Click on the Enroll Now button.
  5. Click on the link: Legal Terms and Conditions. Read through the details. Click on the Back link.
  6. Click on the Open an Account button.
  7. If you don’t already have a TFSA savings account at Tangerine, you will have to give Tangerine permission to open a new one on January 1, 2015. Consequently, the following page will open.

The Open a Tax-Free Savings Account Page

Review your name, address, SIN and date of birth in the Client Information section. If they are not correct call Tangerine to fix them before continuing. If they are ok, continue.

In the Account Information section

The fields in this section are a bit confusing because they’ve combined two different activities: opening and funding your Kick Start account and opening a TFSA daily interest savings account on January 1, 2015. I confirmed what should go in each field with Tangerine.

For example, it seems to say “how much should Tangerine put into your TFSA on January 1 2015” but what it means is “how much do you want Tangerine to put into your TFSA Kick Start account today?”

  1. In the Amount field, type the amount of money you want to contribute to your Kick Start TFSA account today.
  2. If desired, change the Nickname for the account. They have pre-typed a name of: 2015 TFSA Contributions.
  3. From the drop-down list for Fund from this Account, select where you want the money to come from to fund your TFSA Kick Start account.
  4. Note the new TFSA account will be set up with the displayed Effective Date of January 1, 2015.

In the Legal section

  1. Answer Yes or No to the question: Will a third party of any other person benefit from this Account?
  2. From the drop-down list, select the intended use of your TFSA Kick Start account.
  3. Read the statement about how Tangerine will be applying to create a new TFSA savings account for you to begin in January 2015. If you agree that they can do this, click YES. If not, click No.
  4. Click on the Next button.

The You’re almost done…here’s what’s going to happen Page

  1. Review the information provided.
  2. If it looks correct, click on the Confirm button.

The You’re All Done! Page

  1. Copy down the confirmation number and other information from screen for future reference.
  2. Click on the button: Continue banking
  3. On the My Accounts page, under the heading Saving you should see your new
    Tangerine TFSA Kick Start Account – 2015 TFSA Contributions
    account with the balance you asked to transfer into it.
  4. If you’re finished banking, click on the Log me out link.
    For increased security, empty your cache and close your browser session.

UPDATE: I recommend you only apply for the Kick Start program if you intend to leave your TFSA money at Tangerine for the long term.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine plans to start charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

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