Testing the Rules of the Tangerine Interest Rate Promotion by Moving Money Between Spouses

As I mentioned in a previous post about the short-term higher-interest-rate offers from Tangerine and PC Financial, we don’t have a huge stash of cash waiting to transfer into Tangerine to take advantage of their current 3% for 3 months offer. Or do we? I wondered if there is some way to bend the rules for the promotion by moving some money between my husband and I.

The Tangerine Interest Rate Promotion Won’t Apply If You Just Transfer Money Between Joint Accounts

Each time Tangerine offers one of these short-term rate promotions, it seems like the list of exemptions grows longer. That’s because of people like me who resent not getting the higher interest even though we are loyal long-term customers. We are on the lookout for loopholes.

If you and your partner have joint accounts at Tangerine, you can’t get the special interest rate just by transferring money between some accounts. The higher interest only applies on balances higher than the total closing balance on August 31, 2014 (for the promotion I’m discussing here) across all your various accounts.

But my husband and I don’t have joint accounts at Tangerine. Well, we do have a joint US dollar account but US dollars aren’t eligible for this special rate anyway.

What, I thought, if I moved a few thousand of my husband’s emergency fund money into my savings account? Would that work? Could it really be that easy??

What Do the Tangerine Rules Say About Spouses?

I read through the rules again fairly carefully.

I can’t find any fine print that precludes this manoeuvre!

Testing the Crooks Contrivance

OK, if “Smith” can have a manoeuvre and “Norbert” can have a gambit, can’t I have a contrivance? That’s “a thing created skillfully and inventively to serve a particular purpose.” Ok so maybe it’s not as a good as the CO2 scrubber that brought the crew of Apollo 13 home safely, but still….

So today I took out the money from my husband’s Tangerine account via his “Big Canadian bank.” As soon as it’s in and the hold is off, I’ll transfer it into my Tangerine savings account. Then I’ll have to wait for the first interest payment at the end of September to see if it works.

Please: Stay tuned! Where else can you follow (non-)nefarious money-making schemes like this in slow motion?

REMEMBER The Person Who Owns/Made the Money MUST Claim the Interest on Their Tax Return!

While it’s fine to play games with Tangerine (in fact it’s fun!) it’s important not to try to game the CRA. They not only own the ball, they own the teams, the refs, the stadiums and the leagues!

Since this was my husband’s money, if it earns any interest, HE will have to claim it on his income tax. That may be a bit confusing to the CRA as the interest will be reported on MY T5. However, they should realize that by following their own attribution rules, we will end up paying MORE taxes, so I think they’ll be good with that.

Never cheat on your taxes! A few bucks in savings could result in a lifetime of misery.

And the Results are In for the Crooks Contrivance!

It’s now October and Tangerine has paid its interest for the September portion of its high interest on new balances promotion.

Did the money I moved from my husband’s savings account to my own earn the bonus?

Yes!

Once more proving no matter how idiot-proof you make an offer, there’s always some idiot just a bit more idiotic than you’d anticipated.

Still, it’s an interesting option for anyone else who doesn’t hold all their assets jointly at Tangerine with their spouse.

Can I Still Get the High Interest If I Try This Tangerine Trick Today?

Just a word of warning: the Tangerine promotion only applied to new deposits made up till September 30, 2014. So for now, this strategy is not going to work. If the pattern continues, however, there will be another bonus interest promotion sometime in the New Year. I’ll write about it here, and try to remind readers of this option at that time.

What Tangerine is offering right now, is bonus interest on money put into a designated TFSA Kick Start account. So if you have cash waiting to go into your TFSA on January 1 (or if you will be stockpiling that cash quickly over the next month or so) you may want to check into it.

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How to Enroll a BMO Bank Account for Online Banking

I only started to use online banking when I signed up for a Tangerine (formerly ING Direct) savings account a few years ago. Call me a “late adopter.” Then, last year, we opened a PC Financial account so that we could have unlimited free paper cheques to pay the constant stream of costs coming home from our children’s schools. We have “regular” bank accounts dating back to our first working days at a few of the Big Canadian Banks. Recently, I decided to opt to sign up our BMO joint chequing account for online banking; here’s how to do it.

How to Limit Your Risk of Bank Account Fraud from Debit Card Abuse, ABM Phishing and Other Shenanigans

We’ve had our BMO joint chequing account since the days when you were (and we still are!) paid interest on your Big Bank chequing account balance. Yes, there were still a few Stegosaurs in the swamps back then. We created the account solely to pay bills because –get this—we were worried about the risk of exposing the bulk of our money to cheque, pre-authorized withdrawal and ABM frauds.

Yes, that’s right: we were worried about losing our money even before there were such things as debit cards, online banking, tap-and-pay, e-transfers and all the things that now seem so routine.

The account was set up as a standalone. To put money in the account, we wrote a cheque from one of our other banks and deposited it at the teller. So our total exposure to loss was limited to what was in the account at any given time, which was usually significantly under $5000.

I didn’t opt for online banking for this account before now because I didn’t see any need. I can easily walk to our branch. BMO doesn’t have photo cheque deposits, yet, so there was little incentive to change.

Recently, however, I decided I would like to be able to check the balance and the transactions more easily. While it exposes the account to another type of fraud, the risks are not really that great. So it’s time to go online.

What Do You Need Handy to Sign Up for BMO Online Banking?

You’ll need

  • your debit card
  • your bank account number
  • another new password, this one 6 characters in length

How to Enroll a BMO Chequing Account for Online Banking

  1. Go to the BMO website and find the online banking Sign In link. Click on it.
  2. If desired, click on the link to view and listen to a video about Personal Account online banking.
  3. Click on the link: Register now
  4. Under the heading For BMO Debit Card Holders, click on the Register Online button.

The Online Banking Registration Step 1 of 4 Page

  1. In the Bank Card field, type the rest of your Debit Card number.
  2. In the Account Number field, type the last four digits of your Savings or Chequing Account Number.
  3. Click on the Continue button.

The Online Banking Registration Step 2 of 4 Page

  1. In the appropriate box, type the number of bank accounts linked to your debit card.
  2. Answer the personalized question appropriately.
  3. Click on the Continue button.

The Online Banking Registration Step 3 of 4 Page

  1. Click on the link and read the Electronic Banking Services Agreement.
  2. If you still want to proceed click on the I Agree button.
    (If not, click the Exit button.)

The Online Banking Registration Step 4 of 4 Page
You now need to create a password for online and telephone banking for use with your debit card. It’s a 6-character password.

Note that if you use letters, when you telephone bank you will have to use the corresponding number.
2 = ABC
3 = DEF
4 = GHI
5 = JKL
6 = MNO
7 = PQRS
8 = TUV
9 = WXYZ

  1. In the Enter your New Password field, type your password.
  2. In the Re-enter your New Password field, type the password again.
  3. In the Email Address field, type an email address to reach you to re-enable access in the event of difficulties.
  4. Click on the Continue button.

The Confirmation Page

You will be thanked for enrolling. (They’re welcome.)

To understand how to sign in to online banking in the future, click on the Click Here link.

Signing In to Your Bank Account Online for the First Time

  1. To start online banking immediately, click on the Login button.
  2. In the Debit Card field, type the remainder of your debit card number.
  3. In the Password field, type your new password.

The Set Up Enhanced Sign In Security Page

You will now be prompted to set up additional security controls.

Specifically, you will choose an image and a personal phrase. Those will be displayed each time you sign in before you enter your password. If you don’t see them, don’t enter your password! You’re not on the BMO site!

You will also select and answer three questions that can be used by BMO to authenticate who you are. Be sure to select information that no one else will easily know.

Optionally, you can select whether or not to recognize your computer.

Click on the Set Up Now button.

The Set Up Your Personal Phrase and Image Page

  1. In the Enter Your Personal Phrase field, type a phrase that you will remember and that is something you will not detest reading every single time you sign in.
    It should be 10-50 characters long.
  2. If you dislike the pre-selected image, like I did, you can choose another one by clicking on the Change Image link.
    Be forewarned, they have a LOT of banal images. You may have to click See More Images quite a few times to find one you can put up with.
  3. Click on the image you want to select. (after you give up and randomly choose one, if you’re like me)
  4. Click on the Continue Button.

The Set Up Your Enhanced Sign In Security Questions Page

  1. Read the information on the page about when you will be asked these questions and whether you can modify them in the future.
  2. From the drop-down list, select your first challenge question.
  3. In the Answer 1 field, type your answer to the question.
  4. From the drop-down list, select your second challenge question.
  5. In the Answer 2 field, type your answer to the question.
  6. From the drop-down list, select your third challenge question.
  7. In the Answer 3 field, type your answer to the question.
  8. If you are not security conscious and frankly should not be allowed to online bank, you may check the box beside Yes, recognize this computer, it is a computer I trust and use often.
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    When checked, when you use this same computer to sign in, you will NOT be asked a challenge question.
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    Why do you want to REDUCE the security for your money!?! Leave the box unchecked. Answer the question each time. For one thing, it’ll make it easier to remember the correct answers when you’re trying to sign in from another computer during an emergency, perhaps even in another country.
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  9. Click on the Continue button.

The Review Page

Review the information you entered and make sure it makes sense.

If it does, click on the Complete Security Set Up button.

The Confirmation Page

Read the information.

Click on the Continue to Online Banking button.

If you get the annoying Welcome! Popup window, click on the Continue to Online Banking button on it.

You’re in! (finally)

Hopefully your bank account will show up with the proper balance. Mine did.

What Did I Find When I Logged In to my BMO Account Online?

Well, to my dismay I found they have linked my BMO credit card to my debit card! I had no idea that they had done that. So I will be getting that removed immediately.

[Or maybe not. Apparently, what I am seeing is what the Teller sees when they swipe my Debit card at the bank. So unless I go into the branch and object, I cannot easily remove my credit card number from the display for my online banking. The telephone support reps cannot change it. I’ll brood about this some more before I decide what to do.]

I also saw that even though we have no money in it, they report our RESP account. We transferred all the money to InvestorLine years ago but I guess they don’t close the account when you do that. I think I’d better close it before they start charging me some inactivity fee or whatever.

When I checked My Contact Information, I discovered they have an outdated business telephone number for me. So I fixed that online immediately.

Oh cool! When I clicked on my bank account I discovered I received a dividend payment today. Nothing like finding unexpected money!

When You Are Finished Online Banking at BMO

Click on the Sign Out link.

Clear your cache and close your browser session.

Why Don’t I Just Close the BMO Account and Do All my Debit and Banking through PC Financial or Tangerine?

I probably should. But I have a sentimental streak about a metre wide.

I also like our BMO account and our branch. I like the tellers, who will easily clear a $10 000 cheque for me without a hold. I like that I can walk to the ABM if I want to get cash.

I like earning interest on a chequing account at a major Canadian bank if only for the bragging value.

And I still like to reduce the amount of money exposed to potential fraud. I only use debit from my BMO account. If some nefarious evil-doer gets my debit card info, and if BMO refuses to protect me from my losses, the most I will be out is the balance of this standalone BMO account. And I use debit a lot. I just counted, and I made 12 purchases on debit last week.

So while Spock would say it’s illogical, I’m going to keep our BMO account a while longer. I just think I’ll risk exposing it to online banking so that I can keep a closer eye on the transactions flowing through it.

It still is a standalone account. I won’t be linking it electronically to our other banks. It’s just too easy to drop a cheque in whenever I want.

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