Does It Cost Anything to Transfer Part of my ING Direct RRSP to Another Institution?

ING Direct, now Tangerine.ca, offers a great service for quickly making a new RRSP contribution. You can make the contribution into a daily interest savings account RRSP, a cashable RRSP GIC, or a RRSP “Streetwise” Mutual fund by simply logging in to your online account and “moving” your money from your chequing or savings account into the RRSP investment you want. You can print your RRSP receipt immediately if the cash was already in your account, or as soon as the hold clears if your cash has to be transferred in from another non-Tangerine bank account. This convenience means we often make our new RRSP contributions to our ING Direct Tangerine RRSPs. Sometimes, though, a better investment opportunity comes up later and we want to move some of that RRSP money elsewhere. When that happened recently, I contacted ING Direct Tangerine to check whether it costs anything to move part of my RRSP to another institution.

Tangerine To Start Charging a Fee to Transfer Out RRSPs and TFSAs!

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

ING Direct Tangerine Does not Charge Transfer Out Fees for RRSPs

Here’s a direct quote from ING Direct Tangerine: “We don’t have unfair fees, so there’s no charge from us to transfer out your RSP funds. Before making the move, check with your other bank for any unfair fees they may charge you for an RSP transfer in the future. You don’t want the fee to eat away at your retirement savings.”

Their advice is sound. Most “big banks” charge a hefty fee to transfer money out of an RRSP at their bank.

How Do I Transfer some of my RRSP funds from Tangerine to Direct Investing, InvestorLine or Investor’s Edge?

Don’t take the money out of your RRSP to move it! You can NOT add it back to your RRSP. And you will have to pay a non-refundable tax on the withdrawal.

To move the money, you must transfer it, not withdraw it. The money will move directly from one RRSP to the other.

I’m going to quote ING Direct Tangerine again on this one:
“To transfer out your RSP funds from ING Direct Tangerine you will need to submit an RSP Transfer Form (T2033) to the other bank that will be receiving your RSP funds. You can find this form at your local bank branch or online at cra-arc.gc.ca. Once they’ve received your completed form, they’ll communicate on your behalf to move your money.”

In any situation where you are transferring an RRSP, you must have an RRSP account at both locations BEFORE you can make the transfer. If you want to transfer out, first set up the new account at the new bank or trust company so there is somewhere to send it to!

Where Can I Get a RRSP T2033 for Direct Investing, InvestorLine, Investor’s Edge or ING Direct Tangerine?

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP from anywhere TO BMO InvestorLine, go to
https://www.bmoinvestorline.com/ILClientWeb/marketing/accountTransfer.do?method=displayMarketingForm&lang=E
or
https://www.bmoinvestorline.com/public/pdf/Trans_SD.pdf

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP from anywhere TO CIBC Investor’s Edge, go to
https://www.investorsedge.cibc.com/ie/pdf/2033.pdf

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP from anywhere TO RBC Direct Investing, go to
http://www.rbcdirectinvesting.com/transfer-an-account.html

To get the T2033 form to move an RRSP TO ING Direct Tangerine from another institution, login to your existing Tangerine account. From the menu on the left, click on the link Transfer RSPs to open the form.

How Long Does It Take to Transfer Money from One RRSP to Another?

And quoting once again:
“An RSP transfer takes 3-6 weeks to complete.”

Actually, that’s a bit on the quick side. It has taken me as long as 8 weeks to transfer an RRSP, and that was from one bank to that same bank’s self-directed brokerage firm!

So if you were thinking of moving the money fast enough to take advantage of a special GIC rate, it may not be fast enough. Call the bank or brokerage with the good rate and find out if there’s any way to have them “hold” that rate for you. (It’s not very likely, though, unless you’re bringing in a very large amount of money.)

If it’s for a quick investment opportunity like a low stock price, you likely won’t be able to move the money fast enough. In that case, consider whether you could make a new contribution to your brokerage account in time to make the purchase.

Please remember you will pay a fee to transfer your money out of Tangerine to InvestorLine or any other financial institution. BEFORE starting any transfer talk to the institution that will receive the money and ask them to pay the transfer fee. Get any agreement in writing BEFORE beginning the transfer process.

UPDATE: Please be aware that as of January 2015, Tangerine plans has started charging a fee if you transfer your RRSP or TFSA from Tangerine to another bank, credit union, brokerage or financial institution.

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How to Choose a Self-Directed TFSA Brokerage Account to Minimize Fees and Costs

Tax Free Savings Accounts, or TFSAs, first began in 2009 with a maximum annual contribution of $5000 for a Canadian who was 18 years of age or older. With that low an initial contribution level, they didn’t really offer much scope for self-directed investing. In each of 2010, 2011, and 2012, another $5000 in contribution room was added. Starting in 2013 $5500 per year in annual contribution room has been added. So a person who was 18 or older in 2009, and who has been a Canada resident every year from 2009 to the present, can now contribute or have contributed up to $31 000 $25,500 to a TFSA, not including any re-contribution of withdrawn funds. With $31 000 $25,500 plus earnings to manage, it makes sense for some investors to keep their TFSA in a self-directed brokerage account. When choosing a brokerage account, one aspect to consider is the fees and costs for holding and using the account. Here’s a review of which accounts have minimal or no fees and which accounts have high costs and commissions.

Please note there are actually two types of Tax Free Savings Accounts brokerage accounts, and those that can only hold a very limited number of investment choices which I call standard Bank TFSA accounts. For more information on the fees for basic bank TFSAs, please see the article How to Choose a Standard Bank Tax Free Savings Account, TFSA, with Minimal or No Fees.

Fees, Costs and Commissions for Self-Directed TFSA Brokerage Accounts

How to Choose a Self-Directed Tax Free Savings Account, TFSA, Brokerage Account with Minimal or No Fees

Some investors have a non-registered emergency savings account with 3-12 months income worth of cash and liquid assets, a topped up work pension plan, and a topped up RRSP. They often consider the TFSA as another long-term investing tool. These investors usually set up a self-directed TFSA brokerage account. They intend to buy stocks, bonds, ETFs and mutual funds from a wide variety of issuers. The self-directed account gives them the investing flexibility and diversity they demand.

BMO InvestorLine CIBC Investor’s Edge Qtrade Questrade
Set-up Fee  0  0  0  0
Transfer Fee  $135  $135  $125  $125 ($25 for partial)
Closing Fee  $135  $135  $75  0
Annual “Maintenance” Fee  0  0  0  0 if $5000 or if 1 trade per 3 months, or $19.95/3 months
Commissions to Buy Shares, ETFs $9.95 for everyone  if $50,000 assets
$29 if less
 $6.95 if $100,000 assets
$9.95 if $50,000 assets
$28.95 if less
 $9.95 if $50,000
$19 if less
 $4.95-$9.95
RBC Direct Investing Scotia iTrade TD Waterhouse
Direct Investing
Virtual Brokers
Set-up Fee  0  0  0  0
Transfer Fee  $135  $150  $135 $125 plus tax
 $150 (partial $50)
Closing Fee  $135  0  $135 $125 plus tax  0
Annual “Maintenance” Fee  $25/3 months but 0 if $15,000 or various conditions are met  0 0
Update: July 2016:
$25/3 months but 0 if $15,000 or various conditions are met
 CAD TFSA $0
USD TFSA $50/year
Commissions to Buy Investments  $9.95 for everyone  if $50,000 assets
$28.95 if less
 $9.99 if $50,000 assets
$24.99 if less
 $9.99 for everyone  if $50,000 assets
$29 if less
 $0.99-9.99+6.49 per trade depending on assets

* InvestorLine has a minimum contribution to open any type of account of $5000. This appears to apply to TFSA accounts.

UPDATE: FEBRUARY 2014
In January and February of 2014, RBC Direct Investing, TD Waterhouse Direct Investing and BMO InvestorLine all removed the minimum balance requirement for accounts to qualify for $9.95 online trades. I expect CIBC Investor’s Edge and ScotiaBank iTrade will eventually reduce their requirements also but it hasn’t happened quite yet. Please check their websites for up-to-the-second details.

UPDATE: JULY 2016
CIBC Investor’s Edge offers $6.95 trades to all customers regardless of account size.

NOTES:
Generally you should expect to review your account statements online if you do not wish to pay any additional fees.

By Transfer Fee I mean the cost to transfer the TFSA to another financial institution. Generally transfers within an institution, for example from BMO InvestorLine to BMO, do not incur a fee.

Unfortunately fees and costs may be changed at almost any time. Before actually opening an account, contact the financial institution to confirm all costs. I’d hate to cause you a costly mistake if the brokerage raises its fees just after I issue this report!

Sources for the 2014 February Update

  • BMO InvestorLine: https://www.bmoinvestorline.com/public/pdf/schedule_en.pdf
  • CIBC Investor’s Edge: https://www.investorsedge.cibc.com/ie/benefits/fees-and-commission/fees.html
  • Qtrade: http://www.qtrade.ca/investor/en/aboutus/services/fees.jsp
  • Questrade: http://www.questrade.com/pricing/admin_fees
  • RBC Direct Investing: http://www.rbcdirectinvesting.com/commissions-fees-schedule.html
  • Scotia iTrade: http://www.scotiabank.com/itrade/en/0,,3694,00.html
  • TD Waterhouse Direct Investing: http://www.tdwaterhouse.ca/document/PDF/forms/521778.pdf
  • Virtual Brokers: https://www.virtualbrokers.com/contents.aspx?page_id=12

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