How to Transfer RRSP Cash from CIBC to CIBC Investor’s Edge Using a T2033

We have several long-term GICs with CIBC in an RRSP. We checked and we cannot transfer them directly to our Investor’s Edge account. However, as each of these GICs mature we instruct CIBC to convert them into cash deposited in an RRSP Daily Interest Savings account. Then we can finally move the money into our Investor’s Edge RRSP by completing a T2033 transfer form. Here’s how it works.

First the GICs Must Mature and be Converted to Cash

About 2 weeks before a GIC matures until about 2 weeks after it matures, we can contact our service representative at our CIBC branch to provide instructions. We advise them, in writing, to allow the GIC to mature (not roll-over into a new term) to cash and to deposit the cash in our RRSP Daily Interest Savings account. It would be nice if we could just set these instructions ahead of time, like we can at ING Direct. Unfortunately, we can’t.

A week or two after the GIC matures, cashes and is deposited, CIBC advises us that the money has been deposited in the RRSP DIS account. Then it’s time to move it to Investor’s Edge.

How to Get a T2033 for Investor’s Edge

First we need the T2033 form to request the transfer from our CIBC RRSP to our CIBC Investor’s Edge RRSP. To get the form:

  1. Sign on to your account/s.
    1. Go to https://www.investorsedge.cibc.com/ie/index.html
    2. In the User ID field, type your User ID.
    3. In the Password field, type your password.
    4. Click on the Sign On button.
  2. From the list on the left side of the screen, click on the link: Forms Centre
  3. Click on the Transfers tab.
  4. Click on the PDF link for Transfer Authorization for Registered Investments.
  5. On legal paper, print the 4 page form. (You can also pick up this form at any CIBC branch.)
  6. Click on the Sign Off button.
  7. For extra security, close your Browser session

Information Required to Fill Out the T2033 Form to Transfer your RRSP Cash

To fill out the T2033 form to transfer funds from a CIBC RRSP to an Investor’s Edge RRSP you will need to know

Your CIBC branch transit number.

For your contact at that CIBC branch, the person’s

  • Name, email address, telephone number and extension, and fax  number
  • Your own name; mailing address; social insurance number; date of birth

For your spouse (if applicable):

  • name; social insurance number

The receiving institution will already be selected if you print the form from the Investor’s Edge website. Otherwise you will need to know it is

  • CIBC Investor’s Edge (IE) 1 800 567 3343, Dealer Code 9479

Your registered type, RRSP

  • Your RRSP plan number for your Investor’s Edge account
  • Your delivering institution
    For a daily interest savings account, this will be CIBC Fixed Term Consumer Deposits

For your Registered Type, RRSP,

  • Your delivering institution is your bank branch and its address
  • Your Planholder/Annuitant Account Number is the number for your RRSP Daily Interest Savings Account

You will need to decide
If you are transferring the entire amount or a partial amount. If partial, you will need to decide how much.

If there is any further identification available, you can list it in a field for Symbol and/or Certificate or Policy No and you can include an Investment Description.

How to Fill Out the T2033 Form to Transfer your RRSP Cash

At the time this was written, you could not fill out this form online. So you would have to print in the following information:
In the Branch Contact Information section, fill in the

  • Transit
  • Contact name
  • Contact email address
  • Telephone Number and Extension
  • Fax Number

In the Client Information section, fill in your

  • Last Name, First Name and Initials
  • street Address, City, Province, Postal Code
  • Social Insurance Number
  • Date of Birth, in the format first three letters of the month, two numbers for the day, four numbers for the year

If applicable, also fill in your spouse’s

  • Last Name, First Name, Initials
  • Social Insurance Number

In the Receiving Institution Information

  • Be sure that the CIBC Investor’s Edge box is selected.

In the Registered Type section

  • Select the RRSP box.
  • In the Plan/Account No. box, fill in the number of your Investor’s Edge RRSP account.

In the Client Instructions to Delivering Institution section

  • Be sure that the CIBC Fixed Term Consumer Deposits box is selected. (or another choice if appropriate)

In the Registered Type section

  • Select the RRSP box.
  • Write the street Address, City, Province, and Postal Code for the branch where your RRSP daily interest account is managed.
  • In the Plan/Account No. box, fill in the number of your CIBC RRSP account.

In the Transfer Type section,

  • Select All in-kind or Partial as listed below, as appropriate.
  • Select the In-Cash and Dollars boxes.
  • In the Investment Amount field, write how many dollars you want to transfer.
  • In the Symbol and/or Certificate or Policy No. field, write RRSP DIS (if applicable)
  • In the Investment Description field, write any other instructions. For example, I wrote: Please transfer 100,000 and leave the balance in the Daily Interest Savings Account. (OK, maybe that’s not totally true.)

In the Client Authorization Section

  • Date and sign the form.

How to Submit the RRSP Transfer Request

Unlike BMO InvestorLine where you can simply mail in your transfer request, it appears you have to send in the CIBC Investor’s Edge requests by fax to Wholesale Brokerage Operations at 1 800 285 9620 preferably from your CIBC Branch.

To avoid mistakes, we took our request to our Branch Advisor and had her fax it in to Investor’s Edge.

And now we wait. I’ll update this post when the money arrives in the Investor’s Edge account.You may want to get a coffee or something. : )

UPDATE: Ok, I’ve posted the results in: CIBC vs ING Direct to Investor’s Edge RRSP: the Race is On.

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Why Does Everyone Offer Me a New Credit Card and 10% Off my Purchase?

It seems some days when I’m trying to make a quick run to buy groceries, sun block, socks for my kids and fill up the gas tank that I’m greeted everywhere by the same questions “Hi! Do you have our credit card? No?! Why not apply now and get free groceries/drugstore rewards points/10% off your purchase/two cents a litre discount.” It seems like everyone wants me to get a new credit card. Why?

Employees Often Have Quotas for Credit Card Applications

My first suspicion was that employees are getting judged based on whether they can sign up new customers for the store’s current credit card. They likely have a quota of new applications they must try to find. So if they get 5 people to sign up for the card this month, they look good to their boss, and maybe they even get a small reward.

So I asked a clerk at a major retail store. Yes, she agreed, they are supposed to get a certain number of applications per month. While at her store the employee would not get fired if they didn’t get the applications everyone knew that getting them was a good thing promotion-wise.

That wasn’t the significant reason, though. She was honest and admitted to a second incentive:

Kickbacks (Or Cash Bonuses) for New Credit Card Applications

The stronger incentive for some employees to push company credit cards is a specific financial reward. At some stores, the person who talks a customer into applying for the new credit card personally earns cash. The “sign up” bonus can be significant: from $25-150 per application!

(It’s important to know that not all employees get a cash reward if you sign up for a card. Sometimes they are pushing the card just to keep their job.)

Some sales people will even tell you that if you apply, they will get some cash, and ask you to help them out by applying. Sounds harmless, right. But should you?

So I Can Help the Cashier by Signing Up, Should I Go For It?

What can go wrong by applying for a bunch of cards you don’t want or need just to help someone out?

First, each time you apply for a credit card, there is the potential for a mark to be added to your credit rating that reduces your rating. It doesn’t have to be applied. It isn’t always applied. But there is a chance. Applying for one unnecessary card obviously isn’t going to be a big deal. But applying for a dozen unnecessary cards isn’t a great idea.

Second, each time you apply for credit you are increasing your chance of a financial identity theft. Again, it isn’t a large risk, but it is a risk. Watch what happens when you provide all that personal info for the card. Do they just stick the papers beside the cash register? Do they just slide them into the register? When will they get sealed up so no one can easily copy them? Where will they be sent and when and how many hands will they pass through on the way? The risk varies but if you don’t really want the card why take any risk?

Third, if you don’t cancel the card you have increased your overall borrowing limit. Say you are approved for 10 cards each with a $500 limit. That’s $5000 of new credit available to you. This can sometimes be a factor when you need a loan or a mortgage. Some lenders will look at all of the sources of credit you have available and assume that you are at the limit on each of them. They then use that liability as part of their calculations of how much you can afford to pay a month on a new loan or mortgage. This calculation is not always done but it was done to us in the past when we applied for a mortgage with a big bank. It was sobering to realize that just having a lot of credit, even if we weren’t using it, could cause problems with a big loan. Why add credit you don’t need or want to your file?

Fourth, the temptation to mis-use your credit increases. The more cards you have, the more likely it is that you will forget to make a payment one month or that you will spend a little more than you planned because the card is right there unused. Again, this is not a major problem for most people but judging by shows like Till Debt Do Us Part it is a significant problem for some people.  Gail Vaz-Oxlade wouldn’t have to tell people to cut up all of their credit cards but one if they didn’t have many, many cards.

Just Say No to New Credit Cards

The fastest simplest way to handle these offers for new credit cards is to just say no. If you have trouble saying no, you can even lie and say you have one already but left it at home. No matter how many incentives they offer, no is still the best answer.

No Credit Card Rewards for Me, Alas

Some of you may have noticed I don’t run ads personally for credit cards on this site. Unfortunately, that means I’m not getting any of those lovely cheques for $125 for convincing someone to sign up for a new card. I’d love the cash but I wouldn’t encourage anyone in my family to apply for a new card, so I don’t feel comfortable recommending my readers apply either.

Sometimes my context-based advertisers (like Google AdSense) may run ads for credit cards. I don’t get paid anything from the credit card company if you apply after reading one of those ads. If I’m lucky, I might get a few cents if you click on the ad, though. I don’t  control whether AdSense runs those ads or instead runs ads for debt consolidation businesses or penny stocks, nor do I know what ads AdSense is presenting on your screen. The ads vary for each reader.

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